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Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from US
By: AFP on: 20.12.2007 [10:34 ] (2548 reads)
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Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from US
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WASHINGTON (AFP) — The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States, leaders said Wednesday.
"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference.
A delegation of Lakota leaders delivered a message to the State Department on Monday, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States, some of them more than 150 years old.
They also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and will continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months, they told the news conference.
Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.
The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free — provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said.
The treaties signed with the United States are merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists say on their website.
The treaties have been "repeatedly violated in order to steal our culture, our land and our ability to maintain our way of life," the reborn freedom movement says.
Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.
"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution," which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.
"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent," said Means.
The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence — an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.
Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row," Means said.
One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples — despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.
"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children," Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.
The US "annexation" of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people," said Means.
Oppression at the hands of the US government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies — less than 44 years — in the world.
Lakota teen suicides are 150 percent above the norm for the United States; infant mortality is five times higher than the US average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.
"Our people want to live, not just survive or crawl and be mascots," said Young.
"We are not trying to embarrass the United States. We are here to continue the struggle for our children and grandchildren," she said, predicting that the battle would not be won in her lifetime.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iVC1KMTOgwiSoMQyT2LwZc9HyAgA
by eureka on 20.12.2007 [11:14 ]
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have to eke out an existence as second-class citizens? From america in the north to Australia/New Zealand down under, indigenous people have been deprived of what is rightfully theirs.
""The treaties signed with the United States are merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists say on their website.""
Anglo/Saxon white men speak with fork tongues.
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by Legolas_Greenleaf on 20.12.2007 [13:14 ]
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Brilliant idea! The Founding Fathers believed in "states rights", time to practice that "decentralization" thing at home, Yankees.
Lakota Nation...it has a nice ring to it.
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by PhilOchsLives on 20.12.2007 [16:54 ]
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I have long thought that the USA could be Balkanized. Vast sections of the nation are majority African-American, Spanish-speaking, Native American. These areas could be pried loose from the country, but it would be a bloody struggle.
It's okay for the USA and EU to destroy nations and break them apart (Yugoslavia, Soviet Union, etc.), but if it's done to them, be prepared to fight to the death.
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by Seele on 20.12.2007 [17:39 ]
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and anyway I expect civil war-like situation in parts of USA the moment the real power from the implosion of the financial system start hitting the USA. What we see so far is only the tip of the tip of the iceberg if not even only the tip of that tip.
The future will bring lots of angry desillusioned people wanting back what someone did steal from them.
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by titizozio on 20.12.2007 [19:35 ]
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parts of their ancestors where muslims.... Love or hate...
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by Legolas_Greenleaf on 20.12.2007 [20:17 ]
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You can say that twice, comrades! And yeah, it will happen in your lifetime's, i think.
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by picard-fortune-500 on 20.12.2007 [23:43 ]
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Bush will accuse them of harboring a secret nuclear weapons program aided by Iran and al Qaeda. Economic sanctions will be applied after the appropriate legislation is pushed through the UNSC.
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by _merk_ on 21.12.2007 [05:57 ]
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and smoke from peace pipes are mushroom clouds ....
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by BravoTango on 21.12.2007 [13:05 ]
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Man, that's a good one. LOL.
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by CANUKISTAN_VIEW on 21.12.2007 [16:06 ]
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The aboriginal people have been assassinated, looted, raped, segregated, discriminated, humiliated, prosecuted, persecuted, prostituted, and kept in ignorance and so on and so forth BY THE EUROPEAN ROYALTIES AND THEIR WHITE MEN CRIMINALS.
Europe in the 1500 WAS DEVASTATED AFTER 140 YEARS OF CONTINENTAL WARS, DEPRESSION, FAMINES, PLAGUES AND AN INSIDIOUS INQUISITION THAT ALL COMBINED DECIMATED EUROPEAN POPULATION TO HALF AND SUBJUGATED THEM TO EXTREME POVERTY, BACKWARDNESS AND TOTAL DOMINATION BY THEIR RULERS.
Poverty in Spain was extreme with one third parasites of the noble class engaged in endless wars, another third of the population with their unproductive, tax free, murderous Inquisition and social saprophytic clergy. And the final third were the peasants, poor, illiterate Spanish plebe to work the land of the elites and provide service to their masters. It was few decades earlier that the Fernando de Aragon, the catholic king, managed to defeat the Musulman invasion after 700 years and expulse them along with the Sephardites jews.
This if Spanish managed to expulse their invaders after 700 years WHY NOT THE LAKOTA PEOPLE, SIOUX, MAYAS, AZTECAS, INUITS, INCAS, AYMARAS, MAPUCHES, GUARANIES cannot do the same after 500 years of domination, assassinations and lootings?
Curiously around this time, the jew Christopher Columbus showed up with ancient maps from the Middle East suggesting to the Aragons that they can go with their trade to India and Asia by crossing the Atlantic instead of using the Mediterranean and paying heavy fees to the Malta – Venice cartel. So he was financed by the Aragons and recruited thugs, adventurers, criminals, illiterates, jailed people and many Moslems and jews that were being expulsed from Spain. He sailed and ended up in what is now known as continental America; Colubus thought he was in India and this is why all the First Nations people were called “Indians” in spite of the fact that they were people from civilizations 30 times older than Europe, with their empires and governments. Curiously, the “Indian” term created out of ignorance still prevail to these days.
As these countries were advanced and rich, but did not know the steel, the horse and the gun powder, they were defeated. The massive killings and looting started immediately and its repercussion in Europe was felt immediately and is known as the “European Renaissance” with land domination 100 times over their own, millions of slaves and tons of gold and silver already mined. With all this new wealth found, an Inquisition to imposed the brain washing and massive killing of the ruling class of these new territories through the Jesuits, THE WHITE EUROPEAN MAN WAS INDUCED TO THINK THAT THEY WERE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN ALL OTHERS AND WITH A DESTINY TO DOMINATE THE REST OF THE WORLD THROUGH THE CHRISTIAN CROSS!
But these 500 years of world domination, genocide and looting is falling apart. Europe is going back slowly to where they were in the 1500 i.e. without foreign colonies, without slaves, without the absolute control of raw materials and energy resources, and without the full control of governments in spite of all the political asesinations and coup d’eatit to prevent that! This is why these European royalties dominated the USA government to do their fight and their policing around the world for them; this exactly what Thomas Jefferson was opposed to i.e. avoid any political LIAISON WITH EUROPEAN INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL WARS. Germany failed in this assignment during WW II and now USA is failing too, militarily and financially.
The land grab around the world and particularly in America is most disgusting; for instance when Napoleon sold Louisiana to help USA to become a new power that would challenge the arrogant British empire, THERE WERE NO MAPS and certainly the usurpers took advantage of that. Sources: Sate Dept. records.
And what the Vatican said about this land grab? NOTHING, because they were in it with free land on every city founded and tax-free! You wonder why the Vatican was the most staunch allied of this criminal genocide and land grab; you may wonder also why today they are not saying ANYTHING about the new land grabbing in the Middle East, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Somalia, . . , because they want more money, more real etate assets, more laves to pay taxes to them, or the ominous VATICAN SIMONY practice, plain bribery in common language, that was re-instituted few years ago. In other words you can pay to go to heaven, to get a pope or cardinal elected and so forth!
VIVA LOKOTA PEOPLE, there are many other First Nations initiatives like AZTLAN in southern USA, Aymaras in Bolivia, Incas in Ecuador and Peru, Mapuches in Chile, and several First nations in Canada. FOR US FIRST NATIONS, THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO START AS USA EMPIRE COLLAPSES, faces huge deficit and huge taxes to pay for their senses and criminal wars.
THE CENTURY OF ASIA AND OF THE OPPRESSED NATIONS HAS BEGUN. But at the same time it has started the decline of the imperial western european monarchies and imperial USA dollar and financial scams. Yesterday I was reading that the Taj Mahal, one of the world’s architectural masterpieces, welcomes about 2.5 million visitors each year — provided they don’t try to buy tickets with dollar. India’s most popular shrine announced in November that it would stop accepting the U.S. currency and take only rupees, hurling yet another insult at the once mighty greenback.
The dollar, which has been snubbed by everybody from government officials in Kuwait and South Korea to top-earning Brazilian supermodel Gisele Bundchen, may not recover its luster. Economists say the currency, which has declined in five of the past six years against the euro, is caught in a downdraft as investors pour into Asia, prompting a tectonic shift in economic power from the U.S.
h ttp://www.moneysenses.com/
CHEERS FROM CANADA – PEACE PEACE
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by gazza on 21.12.2007 [16:48 ]
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Thinking about bad Karma . The US has been balkanizing other states it's about time the US get balkanized . If MR Putin recognises
the Latoka nation and send them NGOs financed by the Russian Secret Services and some money ...it would make my day ! Following the coming economic disaster there might be some US states willing to secede ! That would be fantastic !
It's an exciting time for the world to watch the No 1 rogue state go down the spout !
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by paul pawlowski on 21.12.2007 [16:52 ]
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Bottle of water cost more than bottle of Oil
Can of Coca Cola cost One Dollar - can of Oil cost 0.10 cents
The Life of One European is worth more than 100 Red Indians
All that wealth from Indegeneous peples
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by kracked1 on 21.12.2007 [17:27 ]
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I like it, could they not make comparison's to Kosovo in regards to their independance?
I'm part native, They call me the 'Great White Metis', sort of a joke but I like the ring to it. The sense of pride should be running quite high with their tribe! The Lakota were one of the very few tribes that USA couldn't push around. The Iroquois being the other.
Long live the first nations, long live our mother...'Earth'.
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by iron-clay on 21.12.2007 [19:56 ]
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Today is no different ... if you don't have the "ARMS" to defend your stand for your Rights ... YOU SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT !!!
300 years ago the Invaders went in and shot and killed thousands of Indians.
This happened because the Indians didn't have the fire power to defend in kind.
WHAT FIRE POWER DO THE INDIANS HAVE NOW ??
In New Zealand the Maori are ding the very same thing ... they have done their paper work and proved their case in the courts.
The Maori People own New Zealand there is no question about that.
However is speaking with them I find the same situation here.
If you don't have the "ARMS" to defend your stand for your Rights ... YOU SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT !!!
Neal
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by _merk_ on 21.12.2007 [21:20 ]
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..."This declaration of independence was made yesterday by Russell Means, leader of the American Indian Movement (who was nearly the 1988 Libertarian Party candidate for president instead of Ron Paul), and is based on many years of U.S. government failure to live up to its treaties with Indian tribes. But Means actually has no authority to speak for the Oglala Sioux (the Lakota tribe he is a member of), since he did not win the 2005 election for president of the tribe, though he unsuccessfully contested it.
I haven't seen any specific mention with regard to the Lakota Nation's action of the case of Cobell v. Kempthorne, a lawsuit which has been in federal court since 1996. This lawsuit is over the U.S. Department of the Interior's mismanagement of Indian land lease trust funds, in which they've lost the accounting records for 118 years of data about $13 billion in funds and its accumulated interest, which the plaintiffs would like to see returned to them. (I previously mentioned this lawsuit two years ago as one of the issues former Arizona Rep. J.D. Hayworth was on the right side of.) Eloise Cobell is a member of the Blackfeet tribe of Montana.
Mention has been made, however, of a 1980 U.S. Supreme Court decision which awarded the Lakota $122 million in compensation for the land that had been taken from them in violation of treaties, but not any land. The Lakota refused the award, which has accrued interest bringing it close to $1 billion today."
h ttp://lippard.blogspot.com/2007/
12/lakota-nation-withdraws-from-us.html
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by Kamau_Ajamu on 22.12.2007 [01:09 ]
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I keep saying it on this site, and now it's beginning to happen!!! There WILL be a balkanization of the United Snakes of Amerikkka, and it very well may be in our lifetime. As I've kept saying on this site (and now it's coming to pass), we will see a New African Nation (in the Southeast), a Chicano Nation (in the Southwest), various Native Aboriginal Nations, Alaska (probably back to Russia), Guam, Hawai'i, Puerto Rico the 'US' Virgin Islands, and maybe even a white nation (as long as they are willing to live peacefully with others).
Hallelujah, my prayers are being answered!!!
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by MmArRgDdOnN on 22.12.2007 [13:05 ]
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Succession of any State in the USA is impossible unless done by the force of arms. Once you become part of the USA it is the only way out and is enshrined in their legal system as law.
In other words,..., lots of words about succession for absolutely no remnant of an on the ground, hard factual reality.
The USA is as completely intact today as it was yesterday, last week, last month, last year, last decade, last century. The Lakota will at most attain the Nation within a Nation status at most but they will not be allowed to completely succeed from the union and will be governed by the Laws of the Senate, Congress and Executive Branch of the USA. That is a given,..., and there is no rhetoric on this planet that will change that fact,..., as I said,..., the only way out is through Force of Arms and the Lakota can not cut the mustard to take on the entire system.
I too have Native North American blood and I know the reality of this grandstanding,..., it ultimately results in loss of federal fundings which translates directly into continued hardship put upon the Native Community until the enevitable conclusion of the moderate faction within such community taking the mommentum from the hard liners and switching the stick for the carrot,..., how long the Lakota suffer the hardships is the only real question,..., and the history of Native Americans in North America cites thousands of examples to prove this eventualities validity.
Mark my words,..., the bluster and extremist rhetoric will at best gain a few hours worth of attention in the halls and and along the streets of Penn Ave in Washington,..., a mere political "Blink of the Eye".
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 22.12.2007 [13:51 ]
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This is their first step towards getting back what was stolen from them.
The land really belongs to them anyways. Foriegners came in against their will but with greater arms and pushed them off of their ancestoral lands, just as what happened to the Palestinians.
This is just the first step. Gradually over time they will gain more and more independence.
Canuikistan View:
"VIVA LOKOTA PEOPLE, there are many other First Nations initiatives like AZTLAN in southern USA, Aymaras in Bolivia, Incas in Ecuador and Peru, Mapuches in Chile, and several First nations in Canada. FOR US FIRST NATIONS, THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO START AS USA EMPIRE COLLAPSES, faces huge deficit and huge taxes to pay for their senses and criminal wars."
Well said. Native people will never forget their roots, and it is only a matter of time before their oppressors weaken as the USA is currently weakening.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 22.12.2007 [14:04 ]
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@Kamau_Ajamu: As the USA weakens, many people will find that their best interests lie in creating their own soveriegnity.
@MmA: not surpised that you're supporting the imperialists again with shallow rhetoric.
@merk: That shows that dignity is more important to the native people than cash, and they can not be cheaply bought off.
@IC: We're talking about a long term process. Over the centuries, as the USA weakens, the natives can get arms from other allied nations.
@gazza: As the US economy weakens, the chances for Balkanization become stronger.
@Canukistan: Good point: This if Spanish managed to expulse their invaders after 700 years WHY NOT THE LAKOTA PEOPLE, SIOUX, MAYAS, AZTECAS, INUITS, INCAS, AYMARAS, MAPUCHES, GUARANIES cannot do the same after 500 years of domination, assassinations and lootings?
@titizozio: That's true. Many people don't know that.
@seele: "the moment the real power from the implosion of the financial system start hitting the USA. "
As the USA weakens, the relative power of smaller groups increases.
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by Legolas_Greenleaf on 22.12.2007 [15:24 ]
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and ANY state merely need to have a referendum to leave the Union, legally.
Furthermore, the USA has not honoured a SINGLE treaty signed with any native nations by which they gained much of their territory: if the matter went to an IMPARTIAL Supreme Court, they would win, or if the US recongnized the World Court (they still owe Panama a $16B judgement) Lakota would certainly win there as well.
But all of this is moot: after the Ziocons start a nuclear war, Russia will destroy most of the US population; Mexico will take back Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, and California, the native nations will take most of the rest, and Canada will sweep down taking all of the Atlantic states.
When Dr. Strangelove and the rest of the vermin emerge from their nuclear-proof ratholes in a few years, the 'USA' won't be there anymore.
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by MmArRgDdOnN on 22.12.2007 [16:31 ]
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In the military we had an expression for idiots that would let their egos get the better of them and never listen to anything they were told,..., we called them Heinz Pickles.
^You can't tell a Heinz Pickle nothing
As in trying to tell an egomaniac that there is no such thing as an Indian Tribe that is going to separate from the USA and declare themselves independant to the point of being a separate country not bound by the Laws of the USA.
So dream on Heinz Pickle,..., your head, as usual, is stuck right where the sun doesn't shine,..., but for you, that's a rather common position to find you in.
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by Legolas_Greenleaf on 22.12.2007 [18:30 ]
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"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Jefferson said, "If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation ... to a continuance in the union .... I have no hesitation in saying, 'Let us separate.'"
In Federalist Paper 39, James Madison, the father of the Constitution, cleared up what "the people" meant, saying the proposed Constitution would be subject to ratification by the people, "not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong." In a word, states were sovereign; the federal government was a creation, an agent, a servant of the states.
www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1543
The Declaration is also a states’ rights document (not surprisingly, since Jefferson was the intellectual inspiration for the American states’ rights political tradition). This, too, is foreign to most Americans. But read the final paragraph of the Declaration which states:
That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that, as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and do all other things which independent states may of right do (emphasis in original).
Each colony was considered to be a free and independent state, or nation, in and of itself. There was no such thing as "the United States of America" in the minds of the founders.
www.secessionist.us/secessionist_no18.htm
www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo42.html
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by _merk_ on 22.12.2007 [18:36 ]
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"in the military we had an expression for idiots that would let their egos get the better of them and never listen to anything they were told"
LMAO. As if ANYONE here could be impressed by what a braindead heel clicker learned in the military! You might as well say: "in the insane asylum, we had an expression for those weird normal people ..... "
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by iron-clay on 22.12.2007 [19:43 ]
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The US has NO CONSTITUTION.
At All ... it died more than 200 years ago.
That means the US government doesn't legally exist ... just like Israel.
See:
ht tp://www.fourmilab.com/etexts/www/NoTreason/NoTreason.html
Neal
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by iron-clay on 22.12.2007 [19:48 ]
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@IC: We're talking about a long term process.
Good on you ... I just don't think they "The Keepers" are going to allow us a "long term process".
Otherwise answer me this one ... after a 1000 years or more of the Keepers keeping secret their playing cards, why since 1984 have they began to let them be seen .... if not because they know it's too late to stop them ??
Neal
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