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17 US soldiers captured by Mahdi Army in Basra (not confirmed yet)
By: Seele on: 25.03.2008 [22:53 ] (8831 reads)
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Hell now loose in southern Iraq ?
17 US soldiers said captured by Mahdi army but news still pending for confirmation
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Mar 25, 2008
News: Mahdi Army arrested 17 American soldiers……Update……
Reported, Abu Al-Khasib another city close to Basra, now under Mahdi Army control, Iraqi government calls special forces from Karbala led by Maliki’s “brothers in law” to move to Basra.
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Just reported from Alwasatonline reporter in Basra, Mahdi Army managed to arrest 17 American soldiers, and seizes 7 hammer military vehicles, because of these developments the Iraqi government offered to negotiates with MA but Muqtada Al-Sadr refused any negotiations, also 250 Iraqi soldiers gave themselves up to Mahdi Army.
Key bridge, connecting Basra city to Al-Kurnah is destroyed by Mahdi Army.
Sotaliraq reported that Maliki refused to meet Basra’s mayor “Mohammad Al-Walili (from Al-Fadhilah Party), the mayor threaten if he removed from his position as mayor he will burn all the oil wells around Basra.
There is also reports about American warplanes involvement in the fights, and the Green Zone was bombed again at 8 O’clock p.
There are fighting in Al-Shurta neighborhood in Baghdad in the Karkh part (East, across the river)
http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2008/03/25/news-mahdi-army-arrested-17-american-soldiers
by Republicae on 27.03.2008 [13:14 ]
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Now, in Iraq, we have created a splintered country with numerous opposing powers, isolated in pockets of power and sectarian strongholds. We have paid what amounts to little more than "Hush" money to every side in the conflict to keep them pacified and quiet. However, that cash cannot buy peace, nor can it buy stability. Eventually, this substantial dislocation of power will collide in a way that is both unforeseen and defintely uncontrollable. Additionaly, we have created a nation of displacement where internally, you have over 2 Million in basic exile and then over 2 Million people displaced into the surrounding countries where extreme ideolody is rampant. The influences on such people will eventually these forces will place such pressure on the Iraqi "national" structure that the chaos will be hard to contain.
We have imposed what amounts to a "puppet regime" in charge of a government that is not only disfunctional, but extremely hated throughout the country. Iraq, like Afghanistan, cannot survive within the framework of our government's visions for those countries.
Afghanistan has a government imposed upon it by our officials, which is mainly made up of the despised Pashtun tribe, it too cannot and will not last.
In other words, our dear leaders have created a much bigger mess then they sought to solve with the invasion of both countries.
Eventually, as the cost, both in our economic viability and in the stability of that region continues to decline at an ever increasing rate, the American People may finally wake up to the fact that our government doesn't know its ass from a hole in the ground.
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by Ronnie on 27.03.2008 [13:42 ]
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Perhaps I can understand the anger many in the world hold. I am in agreement that we as a nation should not be in the business of nation building with an imperialistic mindset. Our great country, the United States of America was founded on principles of freedom from tyranny. And until the Korean War we held to those principals. I love my country, and would gladly give my life for my country in defense of her. And I will never advocate the destruction of human beings for the sake of destruction. My journey in becoming the Man I am, is still in transit, and I continue to learn each day. Make no mistake, I am equally disgusted with my government as I am with the remarks some so called human beings have made on this board. My government has made one monumental mistake after another since the Korean War. Even before with the bastardaztion of our economical systems. And it is also true that our country has much work to do to restore faith in our ideals. War should only be made in defense of ones homeland. And as repulsive as Hussein was, it should not have been invaded as directly as it was. Perhaps if the Iraqi people revolted on their own; and were in need of our assistance then the cause would have been noble. However, Bush for whatever reasons made a huge mistake. I see that now, but as an American I can tell you the anger many of us had after 9/11 made it possible for Bush to perpetuate this mistake.
In a side note, if the French would have had that attitude during our revolt against English tyranny in the 1700's America would never have been born. The French came to our aid and if not for them the cause would have been lost. There is times when a friendly free nation should come to the aid of those that wish to be free from the chains of tyranny.
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by bernie22 on 27.03.2008 [14:27 ]
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This is a "could be" scenario???? The Americans fell into
a trap set by the Mahdi army.
The trap was sprung , the Mahdi offered the Americans to
surrender or die, Americans surrendered?????
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by Draco_Annie on 27.03.2008 [14:43 ]
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Let's face it: the US military is stuck in the Iraki quagmire, it simply cannot afford to bring the troops home and is blaming Iran for their problems. If Bush gets enough countries or even the UN to attack Iran, they will use all our support and resources to bring the troops home and get out of Irak... or rather, to get us involved in the Iraki genocide.
Targetting two birds with one stone, too bad Dubya's vision is impaired... he will fail, as usual.
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by ILYANA_ROZUMOVA on 27.03.2008 [15:10 ]
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In all this crap, eventually the truth emerges!
We all shoud all have high respect for this person Republicae.
Although not everything he says is absolutelly perfect, the essence of truth is undeniable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by hellsbells on 27.03.2008 [15:10 ]
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Good essay on historical hypothetical about the consequences of USA entering WWI.
However you have left out the Hidden Hand of Zionism behind Woodrow Wilson's decision in 1917. Indeed one consequence of the Versailles Treaty was the granting of the Mandate of Palestine to Britain in accordance with the Balfour Declaration of 1917. That 100-word note promised Palestine as a national home for jews, and it was the lever for finally in 1948 obtaining the division of Palestine into two entities, one of which was named "Israel". The entry of USA into WWI was arranged as quid pro quo for World Zionism being promised Palestine by the British, an offer they had absolutely no right to make.
The disaster of Iraq today is a direct result of demands by the zionist entity for their yankee stormtropers to annihilate their arab neighbours.
The website iamthewitness.com has an audio file by Benjamin Freedman made originally in 1961, in which he describes these historical manouvres by World Zionism. He was a first hand witness of what happened at Versailles in 1919.
One other thing, there were no six million dead jews in WWII nor were there any such weopans of mass destruction as "Gas Chambers". The whole thing is a sick joke intended to give the zionist jews sympathy for their claim to Palestine. The jews were looked after in labor camps out in the countryside, where they were safe from the daily bombings of German cities and the terrible fighting at the fronts. Their main hazard was from typhus, a louse borne disease, which the German authorities did everything they could to combat. Towards the end of the War, hunger set in everywhere including the labor camps. Those piles of corpses that were shown in photos to the world were from TYPHUS, not from murder by cruel guards.
One day you will have a clearer idea of historical realities. We are lied to all the time, but you can learn the truth if you look for it.
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by hellsbells on 27.03.2008 [15:23 ]
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I see that now, but as an American I can tell you the anger many of us had after 9/11 made it possible for Bush to perpetuate this mistake.
Not denying the anger side of things, which you were MEANT to have by the people who designed & carried out 9/11, but are you aware that 9/11 is a gigantic hoax?
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 27.03.2008 [15:54 ]
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It seems the Vain Parade has come marching through the forum.
Boo. Hiss.
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 27.03.2008 [16:01 ]
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Amerikans!!!
Go away!!
Shoo!! Shoo!!
And take your damn Freedom with you!!
Oh, wretched Freedom!! Sickened deep within my bowels..
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by MOkesum on 27.03.2008 [16:07 ]
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stopwar- As to my last sentence, I didn't mean it as what I wish to happen, I was merely stating what will happen. There is nothing uniquely "American" about wanting revenge. I believe pissed off soldiers will strike out blindly, without even the guise of looking for "insurgents."
Syrian- A hawk? Because I urge restraint before people are decapitated, as so many on here seem to wish for? Violence only begets violence, and until both sides realize this, nothing is going to change. But racheting up the body count, by either side, will only make things worse.
merk- If a man has no other way to support his family, the army looks like a good idea. Likewise with a smart person who can't afford college. And no, their reasons for enlisting do not absolve them of anything that they may or may not have done. I was merely pointing out that people join the service for myriad reasons, and in my experience, none of these reasons include wanting to go fight an unwinnable, misconcieved war.
--I'm not a gun-totin' "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" American cowboy. I'm a rational anti-war college student who wants nothing more than for our boys to come home before there are any more deaths on either side. We are a country of many different opinions, and you can't paint us all with the same brush.
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 27.03.2008 [16:09 ]
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(creepy music)
(ominous narrator voice)
"Doom is coming!"
"DOOM!!"
"It's not if, but when..."
"Nuclear suitcase bombs!!"
"Thousands of sleeper cells in Amerika..."
"DOOM!!"
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 27.03.2008 [16:12 ]
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the same understanding for the people who frequent this forum as you do towards US soldiers who have committed actual atrocities. Actual murder and rape and infanticide.
It's funny isn't it, what stirs a persons passions.
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by _merk_ on 27.03.2008 [17:22 ]
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"merk- If a man has no other way to support his family, the army looks like a good idea. Likewise with a smart person who can't afford college."
Why not look beyond that "good idea" of making money killing people for the US empire?Why not ask how in the hell a country this rich offers so few options for so many of its young? Why is it that only your upper crust can afford college? Why is your middle class generally accepting that they will be burdened with huge college loans for the rest of their lives?
Why don't Americans see how the US system is rigged in favor of a very few? And how that rigged system virtually ensures that there will always be cannon fodder for wars of aggression?
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by stоpwar on 27.03.2008 [17:43 ]
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It is the very fact that the most powerful country in the world is at least partly populated by "gun-totin' "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" American cowboy"(s) that allows the evil b******* to run its government solely for the benefit of wealth and power.
Whatever it is at the heart of your government... Tony Blair got some of it and brought it back to pollute our imperfect political system to the point that it also now appears also to be run solely for the benefit of wealth and power.
BSE, and human BSE was our disaster and our government tried to blame the French, and other Europeans. Fortunately, enough Brits weren't falling for that and made sure our government was turfed out at the next election. 9/11 was EITHER a criminal act that was was inside job, or a criminal act that was allowed to happen through the criminal incompetence of your government. You should have turned on Bush, not his quickly fashioned scapegoat... the poor Afghan peasant. How do you think that made you look in the world???
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by MOkesum on 27.03.2008 [17:47 ]
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we're a nation of idiots--fat, lazy idiots. Americans on the whole have turned being uninformed into something to strive for. I recently saw a CNN poll about which news story Americans were following most closely--25% said the story they were most interested in was the death of actor Heath Ledger, only 6% said the war in Iraq. In 2004, Bush got "reelected" because he was the candidate that Americans most wanted to have a beer with. Frankly, I don't want any of my drinking buddies running the country, I want the smartest kid in the class.
So, in answer to your question, why don't we see that the system is rigged? For the simple reason that the system is rigged so that we don't see. It sounds like circular logic, but CNN or Faux News is never going to report on how things actually are because it would upset the gravy train. I fear that the sad reality is that we're never going to change unless Americans take the time to go online and read what's really going on and debate with people of differing opinions, be exposed to ideas other than those parroted by the American media. But like I said, we're a lazy people, and that would just be too much work.
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by _merk_ on 27.03.2008 [17:47 ]
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"It's funny isn't it, what stirs a persons passions"
I think some of these passions arose because somewhere deep down there was a stirring of guilt followed by reflexive justification as per the lifelong programming. Call me "an optimistical" (quoting the decider) Something may have hit home, if ever so vague.
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by MOkesum on 27.03.2008 [18:17 ]
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As sad as it sounds, right after 9/11, we didn't care how the invasion of Afghanistan made us look in the world. For the most part, we sat on an island of invincibility, and on 9/11 we got scared and angry. But mostly angry, we needed someone to blame...someone to kill. So when Bush & Co. put up those brown-skinned Arabs who are so different from us as a scapegoat, most Americans were rarin' to go. (It is horribly racist, I know, but from a country that enslaved an entire continent of people while simultaneously exterminating the indegenous American population, is it really that surprising?)
We didn't stop to think, and simply gave the administration carte blance to do whatever it wanted. And now 7 years later, when Americans are finally starting to realize that Bush may not have had our best interests at heart, it's too late to go back and undo what we have done. I'm not attempting to rationalize the behavior of my countrymen, it's just that Americans have a tendancy to shoot first and ask questions later, and it seems to have finally caught up with us.
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 27.03.2008 [18:21 ]
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Well, I cannot but admire your being optimistical. It reflects your humanity, a degree of spiritual purity or cleanliness.
Amerikans should not feel traumatized by hearing anti-Amerikan sentiments, and they certainly have no business shaking their fingers at other people, in that oh-so-familiar self-righteous, street-corner- soapbox-sermon crap tone....
If a person constructs an absurd delusion of grandeur as their own self-image they will necessarily, from time to time and in one way or another, be confronted with what they actually are.
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by stоpwar on 27.03.2008 [19:24 ]
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I appreciate your honesty. But its not too late to impeach Bush & Cheney. You can show that you are better than us Brits who so far have let Blair get away "scot free" (pardon pun).
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by CANUKISTAN_VIEW on 27.03.2008 [19:57 ]
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1. Text of State Department memo instructing US diplomats in Baghdad to take cover
SUBJECT: Transition of Operations and Sleeping Quarters to Hardened Structure
Due to the continuing threat of indirect fire in the International Zone, all personnel are advised to remain under hard cover at all times. Personnel should only move outside of hard cover for essential reasons. Essential outdoor movements should be sharply limited in duration. Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) is mandatory for all outside movements.
We strongly recommend personnel do not sleep in their trailers. Night workers should rest inside hardened structures during daylight hours. All personnel are welcome to sleep inside the Palace and at the New Embassy Compound. Limited supplies of cots continue to be available.
Day workers who operate outside or in unhardened structures should transition their work to hard cover locations. GSO (General Services Officer) will coordinate with affected sections to identify suitable locations
THE INVADER ARE TRAPPED! Two reported kill: gov. official (diplomat?) plus one financial analyst INVESTIGATING WAR EXPENSES.
h ttp://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/27/america/Iraq-Embassy-Text.php
2. Baghdad's Green Zone is red hot target in Shiite militia showdown
One explosion Thursday ignited a fire in the central area of the zone that sent a massive column of thick, black smoke drifting over the Tigris River. Military and diplomatic officials would not say what had been hit inside the Green Zone. A U.S. military statement said one civilian was killed and 14 wounded "in the vicinity" of the protected district.
h ttp://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/27/africa/ME-GEN-Iraq-Ground-Zero.php
3. Black smoke near US embassy after Baghdad blast
giant column of black smoke was visible near the US embassy in Baghdad's Green Zone on Thursday after an apparent mortar strike, a Reuters reporter said.
The blast struck near a former palace of Saddam Hussein that has been used as the headquarters for hundreds of US civilian and military personnel in Iraq. Embassy officials were not immediately available for comment.
The fortified Green Zone diplomatic and government compound has been struck by repeated volleys of mortar bombs and rockets over the past three days. Sixteen mortar bombs hit the zone on Wednesday, wounding four people including two US civilians. - Reuters
h ttp://www.tradearabia.com/news/newsdetails.asp?Sn=INTNEWS&artid=140867
4. OTHERS ATTACK AND UPRISING: BASRA, BAGHDAD, HILLA, TIKRIT,...
5. Protesters demand 'downfall' of Iraqi government
BAGHDAD — Tens of thousands of supporters of Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr marched in Baghdad on Thursday to protest against a crackdown on his followers and call for the end of the U.S.-backed government.
In Sadr City, the vast Shi'ite slum named after Mr. Sadr's slain father, crowds of angry men jammed the main circle chanting and shouting anti-government slogans.
Mass demonstrations were also held in the northern Kadhimiya and Shula districts. An Interior Ministry source said hundreds of thousands had taken to the streets, but this could not be independently confirmed.
h ttp://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=403797
6. Oil jumps as an attack on an Iraqi pipeline slows oil exports JOHN WILEN The Associated Press
NEW YORK (AP) — Oil futures shot back above $107 a barrel Thursday after the bombing of an Iraqi oil pipeline diverted investors' attention away from a stabilizing U.S. dollar.
h ttp://yorkdispatch.inyork.com/ci_8718077
7. Britain admits breaching human rights of 9 Iraqi detainees, including man who died in custody ROBERT BARR, Associated Press Writer
LONDON (AP) - The British military admitted Thursday that some of its troops breached the human rights of an Iraqi man who died in custody and of eight other detained Iraqis.
The Ministry of Defense said it expects to negotiate compensation for the survivors of the dead man, Baha Mousa, and with the eight former detainees.
h ttp://www.newspress.com/Top/Article/article.jsp?Section=WORLD&ID=565269721361287023
8. Militant Fighting Spreads Across Southern Iraq by Lourdes Garcia-Navarro and Renee Montagne
Iraq
Militant Fighting Spreads Across Southern Iraq
by Lourdes Garcia-Navarro and Renee Montagne
Listen Now 4 min 24 sec add to playlist
Morning Edition, March 27, 2008 · The Iraqi army assault on the country's most powerful Shiite militia continued Thursday.
In Iraq's oil-rich southern city of Basra, thousands of Iraqi security forces have been trying to dislodge the militia loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is overseeing the offensive against al-Sadr's forces there. Reports from the scene say the operation is not going well. One indication of that is that al-Maliki has canceled plans to attend an Arab summit in Syria this weekend.
Lourdes Garcia-Navarro, who is in Baghdad, tells Renee Montagne that Iraqi forces seem to be outmanned and outgunned in certain areas, and that there are reports of Iraqi police and army units taking off their uniforms and joining al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia.
The situation in Baghdad, Garcia-Navarro says, also is "extremely tense."
"Mahdi Army members have planted roadside bombs in many of the main streets. They are heavily armed with new weapons and equipment, we are hearing. ... Masked Shiite militia members have been attacking police and army checkpoints in western Baghdad. ... Mahdi Army members have been going house to house, demanding that men of fighting age join them. So we're seeing an explosion across Shiite areas in the capital."
h ttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89140765&ft=1&f=3
Other news: US soldier killed, another pipeline busted, insurgen holding well in Basra, Cheney AUTHORIZED THE MILITARY OPERATION - sure to boost USA republican election with U McCain and U'Hillary .....
IT LOOKS LIKE GAME OVER FOLKS! If Sunnis IR joint the fight then is over!
VIVA LA RESISTENCIA IRAQI! LONG LIVE THOSE IRAQI FREEDOM FIGHTERS - SHAME TO WESTERN MONARCHS AND THEIR CRIMINAL STOOGES! Their century XX and XXI crusades seems to be a total fiasco!
CHEER FROM CANADA - PEACE PEACE
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by BlackPanther on 27.03.2008 [20:10 ]
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The problem is not only that Amurikans are "ignorant." This may be an excuse in the past. But in the age of the internet, Americans have access to a wide range of political perspectives around the world. This is increasingly NOT an alibi.
The underlying problem is called American Exceptionalism. American national identity is based upon a Judeo-Christian creed that America is God's Select, that is it a divinely inspired "Good Guy" fighting evil in the world.
America is the Land of the Free (despite imprisoning more people than any other country in the world)
America is the Beacon of Liberty (just check out Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia (Kosovo), Haiti, Columbia, Chile under Pinochet, El Salvador, or the Vietnam wars for examples of bloodstained US Freedom).
America is the Shining City on a Hill that was uniquely selected by God to act as a Crusader for Freedom on this planet--according to American rulers from John Winthrop to Ronnie Reagan.
In short, Americans believe they are God's Chosen Nation--just like the Zionists believe that Jews are God's Chosen people.
At base, America is a Crusader Empire and a Crusader people.
As such, anybody that opposes America (or its close ally Israel) is by definition EVIL. After all, America IS FREEDOM. America is God's Select.
This is the underlying problem.
Even a Right Wing pro-American like David Gelernter has written a book stating that Americanism is a kind of religion since the days of the Founding Fanatics and, before them, the Puritans at Massachusetts Bay Colony.
Americanism: The Fourth Great Western Religion
ht tp://www.randomhouse.ca/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780385522953
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by An_American on 28.03.2008 [16:55 ]
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You are absolutely correct in your assertion regarding Americanism.
My "favorite" conservative, Patrick Buchanan, though he denies it, he is a most forthright advocate of Americanism. He decries the Neo-con movement mostly not because it is wrong, but because it dooms America and it’s destiny!!!!
His book the “Death of the West” spells out “Americanist” fears completely.
Great suggestion by you on this... Others on this sight should read it. Especially in a need to know your adversary kind of way.
As An_American I can attest to the pull of this belief system. If a religion, it has gained the most converts in the shortest time of any other in history almost 200 million have “converted” and actually come to the “American Mecca” from all over the world in less than 80 years, one life time…estimates are 100 Millions more clamor to get here.
Even the immigrant imagery of “the land of opportunity”, “Streets paved with gold”, “Home of the free” are allegories to a paradise for believers…
I am constantly regarding this as I examine my own belief, not as a Roman Catholic (from previous posts you would know that) but as An_American. (Especially as Rome slowly abandons America as a catholic country).
Americans don't act, they ract because they BELEIVE. They believe across all religions and denominations in Americanism….Failure to understand such, dooms opposition. Americans are fervent in the "righteousness" of America.
For the vast majority of Americans, Bush’s “only mistake” since 9/11 is to invade Iraq because it dims our righteousness. Americans are not upset that Americans are dying or Iraqis are dying. They are upset because they were duped into an “unrighteous war”. Hence the Islamo-fascist hyperbole…
Look to a popular advocate of Americanism, Anne Coulter’s solution to Anti –Americanism. To paraphrase her, "Kill their leaders and convert them"...... this is religious zealotry....
Though you only touch on American Exceptionalism. BRAVO.
I agree completely with you. Many of those believers rely on Tocqueville to justify Americanism. Those that don’t understand the European facination ( from Churchil to Blair, Merkel, and Sarkozy) and their subsequent endorsement of Amercanism should read him first. Canadiens are not exempt from this philosphy, there is a movement in Canada that regards the Canadian ethos as a “better” distillation in North America…As their extermination of natives and exploitation of lands was more “Humane”…they escape scrutiny like how Austirans escape the Nazi imagery assigned to Germans
I wonder what your thoughts on the parralles of American Exceptionalism and Eugenics are? Its only a short jump from there to actionable policies ala Nazi Germany….
This is the best linkage on this site that I have read in a while, not based on rhetoric and hyperbole, thank you….
In America we abort millions of our babies, we allow our cities to sink into the sea, and we allow millions to die of crime, poverty and addiction all because we believe, not in God, but in Americanism.
“One Nation, Under God, Indivisible,”.. is the “American trinity”, that imagery is not coincidental.
It is the absolute culmination of Imperialism and religion. Every aspect of Western culture evolved since the 15th century is based on the West’s " divine right" to exploit.
Until the 1350's the west was subordinated or surpassed in culture, wealth, military and every measurable "value" by the other great cultures of the time in Arabia and in Asia.
Under the guise of Christianity the Pope embraced mercantilism and rewarded anyone that could dislodge the Arabians from their monopoly would be rewarded on earth and heaven (sounds like a crusade to me too)
With the blessings of the Church, Portugal and Spain embarked on a way to break the Arabs rather than negotiate and trade......
Through this the west justifies Slavery, Destroys indigenous culture and embarks on imperialist exploitation under the guise of religion.
Pragmatic Dutch to throw the religion aside and just focus on stealing wealth through Corporations..( just as Dutch reformers castigated Rome)...
The exploitation of the new world was blessed by Christianity and became Manifest Destiny. It is easy to see why we are here.
For 600 years the West caused millions to die or suffer. In the last 100 years particularly driven by this distillated brew called Americanism, Western Culture has accelerated that toll exponentially.
For all of its art, wealth, science, and any truth in its religions or philosophies, the West betrays itself and the rest of the world through hubris, avarice, and greed.
The west has failed for the second time to advance humanity for the sake of Humanity. First in the fallen empire of Rome, now in the “religion” of Americanism.
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by BlackPanther on 28.03.2008 [21:17 ]
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Yes, I hadn't thought about the immigrant analogy, but you are right. Immigrants to America in many ways are like religious pilgrims attempting to reach what they think is Heaven--or at least its earthly manifestation.
Moreover, the aforementioned Messianic Crusader mentality is found throughout the history of US rulers such as Woodrow Wilson ("Making the World Safe for Democracy"); John F. Kennedy ("the US shall pay any price ... to assure the survival and the success of liberty"); Ronald Reagan (the USA is a Shining City on a Hill fighting against the Evil Empire); George W. Bush (too many examples to name).
Even Barack Obama, the supposed "peace candidate" touted by some clueless progressives, has openly talked about how the USA is uniquely chosen for a "historic mission" on this planet.
Here is an interesting comment from someone named Mulga Mumblebrain that captures this mentality in its essence:
"While self-delusion and poisonous ignorance, and constant lying propaganda explain the attitudes of the average Yank, I do not believe for an instant that the hereditary Yankee elite are so stupid.
For them the aim, from the time of Jamestown and certainly from the time of Independence, has been Empire, its extent at first the Western Hemisphere, then later the world. It has been driven by greed, and racism, the fervent belief that the Christian white-man is the apex of existence. It is and has always been Messianic, and obsessed with dark visions of Evil that must be annihilated. The roots of this ghastly exterminism can be found in the Old Testament, where the lurid tales of God-ordained extermination of Canaanites, Moabites, Philistines etc were quoted directly as some sort of Divine guidance as the settlers set out on expeditions against the ‘Indians’, where they made sure to follow God’s explicit instructions to kill the women and children, and burn the crops. The Biblical injunction to genocide is still there to this day, Holy Writ to both Judeofascists and Christian fascists, who have joined in a ghastly Crusade to kill as many Amalek (to use the Judaic term for God’s eternal enemy, who must be destroyed, utterly) as possible. The deliberate starvation of Gaza, is, in my opinion, the latest fruit of this Divine plan."
ht tp://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/for-bush-and-mccain-iraqis-are-merely-ropes-for-american-dirty-laundry/
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by BlackPanther on 28.03.2008 [21:29 ]
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Also, on the issue of eugenics, a guy named Edwin Black has written a book _War against the Weak_ that documents how the Nazi eugenics programs was significantly influenced and founded upon American eugenics campaign, which have been forgotten in history.
ht tp://www.waragainsttheweak.com/
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by CheGuevaraSD on 28.03.2008 [23:17 ]
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Stupid as hell, but funny. They are so cowardly and predictable. Blame everything on "Zionists." These pukes are a joke. They probably don't even do their own effing.
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by An_American on 31.03.2008 [01:04 ]
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I have not read war againt the week, I will look into it, Thanks
I am familiar with the Eugenics movement here at the turn of the century... USA and Britain were primary and University of Vermont was very deep.....
I think its interesting that some of the higher regarded european countries of this current era have adopted certain sterilization and euthenasia etc, and other "eugenics" based population controls as a new standard.. Ie Norway Sweeden and and are viewed with "admiration" for how effectively they have homogonized and sanitized their nations..
amorality is admired and morality is chastized...
Thank you...
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