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Turkey closes skies to Israeli military
By: Press TV on: 28.06.2010 [11:19 ] (1730 reads)
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Turkey closes skies to Israeli military
Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:11:40 GMT
An Israeli air force cargo aircraft
Amid tense relations prompted by Israel's deadly attack on a Turkish-flagged aid convoy, the government in Ankara takes a step to impose certain restrictive measures against the Israeli military.
"Military planes are required to obtain overflight permission before each flight. One military plane was denied permission immediately after" the May 31 onslaught on the Gaza-bound fleet, AFP quoted a diplomat as saying on Monday.
The diplomat, who was speaking on condition of anonymity, did not specify whether the decision signaled a total ban on Israeli military flights using Turkish airspace.
There were no restrictions on civilian flights, the diplomat added.
Speaking after the G20 summit in Toronto, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country had closed its airspace to Israel after the attack on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla.
Israeli media earlier said that a military plane carrying more than 100 Israeli officers to Auschwitz in Poland was denied permission to use Turkish airspace and had to take an alternate route.
Nine Turkish nationals were killed when the Israeli navy commandos attacked the six-vessel Freedom Flotilla in international waters in the Mediterranean.
The move prompted an infuriated Ankara to immediately recall its ambassador to Tel Aviv and scrap plans for three joint military exercises.
Turkey also announced a decision to lower its economic and defense cooperation with Israel to a "minimum level."
Turkish officials have said Ankara will reconsider diplomatic ties with Tel Aviv if Israeli official do not take conciliatory steps, including presenting an apology for the killings and offering compensation to the victims' families.
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http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=132364§ionid=351020204
by Syrian on 28.06.2010 [12:37 ]
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Needs to be thoroughly deliced.
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by Syrian on 28.06.2010 [12:40 ]
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Israel is finished now. They've always been heavily reliant on Turkey's airspace for training and as an attack route. Without Turkey's airspace, fighting them will be like shooting fish in a barrel, they don't stand a chance.
I hope Turkey doesn't backtrack from this position and I hope Israel does not apologise.
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by cosmo on 28.06.2010 [14:54 ]
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According to ther Alalam website zionist airforce planes have been landing in Tabuk ziosaudi, the airport was closed and the passengers were paid back for their cancelled flights.
Now the ruling ziosaudis are showing their real face along with the talmudist zionist acting king in jordan. Something is going on and the ruling saudis should be blown into smithers by Iran.
In all honesty the history should be rewritten since there was never an Arab revolution, it was a zioanglo sax revolution led by the talmudist turk the so called hussien bin ali under the sponsorhip of the faggot ziolawrence, just like zioataturk and company.
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by Saigon on 28.06.2010 [15:41 ]
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Turkey has more balls than the whole Russia. Those russhits are too busy getting drunk with vodka and trying the latest kippà fashion instead of standing up to zionists. Long live Turkey!
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by Syrian on 28.06.2010 [15:53 ]
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They wouldn't stand a chance against Iran in a long-range war and Saudi arabia is useless to them in a short range war against us, except to protect their aircrafts. 15 minutes after a war is on, their airstrips will be non-functional.
I guess they will use Zoidi (Saudi) airspace for training though and more psychological warfare against Iran.
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by Lima-P on 28.06.2010 [16:53 ]
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is conciliatory and offers apologies, etc., we doubt Turkey would open its airspace for any attack on Iran. It would be contrary to all that they are building up to do. Long live Syria for the independence of thought it has shown all along. That rarest of things it is, an honest Arab country.
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by Ghengis on 28.06.2010 [17:23 ]
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is alienation from the West, de-facto or de-jure expulsion from NATO, dismantling of the modernization of its military and eventual disintegration of Turkey. US does not need Turkey any longer, for Russia is no longer a strategic threat to the US.
Yet in that noble pursuit, Erdogan & Co. will likely be stopped by the Turkish military. The US just needs to find the right person for the role of Turkish Pinochet.
Militarily, economically and politically, Turkey is a non-entity, as much as Syria.
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by Syrian on 28.06.2010 [19:26 ]
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are truly the clown gesture of this place! Bravo.
Some great quotes as well:
>US does not need Turkey any longer, for Russia is no longer a strategic threat to the US.
>de-facto or de-jure expulsion from NATO, dismantling of the modernization of its military and eventual disintegration of Turkey
Now we know what you have during your wet dreams. But alas — they are only dreams.
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by Syrian on 28.06.2010 [19:29 ]
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I just can't wait to see what your little failed state IsraHell plans to do with a growing population and dwindling supply of potable water. Litani is so close, why not give it another try losers?
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by Syrian on 28.06.2010 [19:31 ]
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I meant jesture of course.
Turkey is a major military, economic and political power in the region, you've just got sour-grapes that your little zionist state (which you love so much) no longer is de-facto allied to it.
All it has to do is apologise as well — what a shame! Pure hubris.
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by pilot-x on 28.06.2010 [19:40 ]
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aka Clown, the Plum nosed ones who wear the goofy oversized shoes.
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by Ghengis on 28.06.2010 [21:39 ]
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Your responses are a good example of the typical Semitic/Muslim burst of emotions that engages no brain cells: "Alla-hu-Akbar! Bo-o-o-om!"
As usual for an Arab, if the facts do not match his wishful thinking, then the facts are wrong.
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is a very thoughtful comment, a good illustration of the true Muslim intellect. Thanks for making it.
>Turkey is a major military, economic and political power...
Yes, exactly. We are all aware of the mighty Turkish industry, of the great technological developments in that country, of the Turkish experts in the high-tech that are highly sought after in all European countries. As a matter of fact, Europe has been begging Turkey to join EU, but Turkey has been proudly refusing, not willing to share that amazing stream of the new technology originating from Turkey. The Turkish Military is highly advanced and fearsome, it completely defeated even such great military powers as the PKK and Greece.
Syria is an equally advanced country, in both military and economic senses. At the same time, the Zionist entity "little failed state IsraHell" rapidly disintegrating under the burden of "growing population and dwindling supply of potable water."
So, now is the right time to end its miserable existence. Turkey should immediately join with Iran and Syria, and hit the Zionist entity with all their might: the Jews would be driven into the sea in a matter of hours! Yalla!
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by Ghengis on 28.06.2010 [21:46 ]
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It is very important not to skip the hourly dose of Haldol even a single time.
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by Richard on 28.06.2010 [22:40 ]
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You're the guy who thinks Osama bin Laden was behind 9/11. Ain't that right?
Watch out for that crack_smoke.
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by Richard on 28.06.2010 [22:43 ]
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How awful.
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by Richard on 28.06.2010 [22:50 ]
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It's Erdogan who shuttles Osama bin Laden in and out of Iran.
haha!
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by Philistine on 28.06.2010 [22:56 ]
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Be careful when arguing with Genghis. He's far too intelligent and intimadating to be trifled with. After all, in case you haven't heard, he is the master of all academic disciplines known to man. He also has a PhD in every discipline from every University everywhere. Not only that, he's lived in every country in the world and knows everyone in those countries.
So, with a background like that, simpletons like us should naturally be in awe of his intellectual superiority.
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by Philistine on 28.06.2010 [22:59 ]
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By the way, intellectually superior Genghis, it is your childish assumptions that's suggesting that the "emotional" semites want to charge blindly to a war with Israel. Are you sure that's the case? Couldn't it be that Israel will implode by its very nature because it was quite silly and unsustainable to place a Khazarian Jewish Apartheid State in the middle of Palestine?
By the way, Hizballah proved that you don't need to be the master of every science and technology (like you are) in order to wage a successful defensive war against Israel. Hizballah's cunning, strategy and bravery and intelligent use of the technology they have at their disposal rendered the Israeli army useless and unable to achieve their declared objective of occupying the south of Lebanon up to the Litani.
I think the only irrational bursts of emotions these days seem to be coming from the paranoid zionist entity. The Semites seem to be the ones who are slowly beginning to gain the upper hand over the Khazarians. But your delusions are charming. You must be suffering from the paranoid psychosis that Israeli society is famous for!
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by Ghengis on 29.06.2010 [00:30 ]
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My first question is, since when Philistines became Semites ?
My second question is, what facts do you have to suggest that the Jews are of Khazar origin ? The latest genetic research suggests that they all are of the Middle Eastern origin, with some intermix with the local population.
Now, about Hezbolla. Do not forget that the Jews fought it with both their hands tied behind their back. In case of the total war, Hezbolla would be eliminated without any contact with the Jewish troops. It is very easy to acomplish by the mass bombardment of the foe territory with the thermobaric bombs. Indeed, the civilians would be eliminated as well (as it was done by the Russians in Grozny), but the total war has very few rules.
Next, about implosion of Israel. Let's say, it happened somehow (definitely, not through your or other Arab efforts). What are you gonna do with the Jews and the rest of the infidels? As much as I know, Hezbulla wants the complete extermination of them. Do you share that desire ?
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by Ghengis on 29.06.2010 [00:39 ]
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>Erdogan hiding bin Laden!!!!
Creation of a "straw man" is one of the oldest tricks of the Jewish lawyers. Are you one of those "anti-Zionist" Jews ?
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by Ghengis on 29.06.2010 [00:46 ]
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that's suggesting that the "emotional" semites want to charge blindly to a war with Israel."
By why not ? After all Israel implodes now "by its very nature because it was quite silly and unsustainable to place a Khazarian Jewish Apartheid State in the middle of Palestine." It is a failed, "quite silly and unsustainable" state. Put the end to its misery now!
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by pilot-x on 29.06.2010 [00:58 ]
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ht tp://www.zerohedge.com/article/uss-carrier-harry-truman-now-officially-just-iran-israel-allegedly-plotting-imminent-tehran-
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by Richard on 29.06.2010 [01:21 ]
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Ghengis? Why do you think Erdogan will suffer for this decision?
You feel Erdogan is being foolish?
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by Richard on 29.06.2010 [01:25 ]
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Of course. It's an anti-Jewish conspiracy.
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by Syrian on 29.06.2010 [02:02 ]
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>This is a very thoughtful comment, a good illustration of the true Muslim intellect. Thanks for making it.
Show how angry you must have gotten. But it's fine, this is the reality of impotence. Joke is on you, Ghengis, I'm not a Muslim.
>The Turkish Military is highly advanced and fearsome
Indeed, Israel wouldn't stand a chance in an actual conflict, but hey, you wouldn't know this since you're masturbating over Israel's large arsenal of antiquated F-15s and F-16s, right? They'll be shot down like flies as in 1973. No FOF trick like 1982, this time.
>At the same time, the Zionist entity "little failed state IsraHell" rapidly disintegrating under the burden of "growing population and dwindling supply of potable water."
Excellent! You got it this time, oh you're being sarcastic? Oh dear, call the lunatic asylum, we have a live one.
Meanwhile, in the real world: ht tp://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts%20About%20Israel/Land/Israel-s%20Chronic%20Water%20Problem
But hey, Israel doesn't need all that water Turkey was sending it. They're Israelis after all, they're so powerful they don't even NEED water. Not even to grow food, which "G-d sends down from heaven" for them, right?
>since when Philistines became Semites
What a fucking joke!!!!
>what facts do you have to suggest that the Jews are of Khazar origin
The point is, the real Jews AREN'T of a Khazar origin. The evidence of the Ashkenazis having a Khazar is plentiful, it's your own fault you haven't taken it seriously.
>The latest genetic research suggests that they all are of the Middle Eastern origin, with some intermix with the local population.
This cute little attempt is already being criticised in the literature. No dice, my khazarian retard.
>As much as I know, Hezbulla wants the complete extermination of them
You see, you don't know anything!
>Do not forget that the Jews fought it with both their hands tied behind their back.
>It is very easy to acomplish by the mass bombardment of the foe territory with the thermobaric bombs.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA, LAUGHTER IS ALL YOU DESERVE. The moment Israel starts such mass-massicares, is the moment it meets a real, open-field gas chamber courtesy of our mass-manufacturing industry.
What a lobotomised CHIMP!!! Oh man, I'm going to stop insulting you now so that you don't run away like the rest of your silly brethen. I'm enjoying your lard-brained posts more and more.
@pilot-x
Thanks for the correction.
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by Syrian on 29.06.2010 [02:06 ]
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>Syria is an equally advanced country, in both military and economic senses
Indeed, we are sustainable, unlike your darling Israel. We don't need trillion-dollar aide from the United Snakes of America, as well as an infusion of Russian scientists pretending to be Jews to escape from the collapsing Soviet Union.
Syrians are the worst enemy possible for the zioni$ts, you know this already. You can't even beat our proxy army, such a pathetic nation, ripe for the picking. When the host (US) collapses, those walls you built will be used to starve you.
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by _merk_ on 29.06.2010 [03:15 ]
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the Auschwitz Claim ... hahaha, you beat me to it. Exactly!
Power to Turkey!
Oh, Ghengis appears thoroughly pissed. Too funny how he goes into attack mode when his mother Israekl is up the creek. It's a good day when zionists are having a bad one and when Israekl can't just run to the US and demand the matter get fixed yesterday.
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by Sandy on 29.06.2010 [04:28 ]
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Alas, on visiting australia I find a coup has occured. It was well planned. Caught up with an old Aussi source who recalled his Syd Uni Days....How surprising to find a new leader there. A gay but very Israel loyal stooge since Uni days when she was member of the proIsrael students group with her elder girlfriend, was remade with a "boyfirend" (a "hair dresser-NOT GAY OF COURSE" of course) who was given a lucrative job by israeli business to do the role, chosen in 2006 or so-watch him chose male roles it will be hilarious. bet "men's health"!, -then a coaltiion of stooges with a media blitz about falling polls-a dupe-and the Prime minister Rudd , who has done a spectafular job for that country internationally but dared to criticise Israel and shame israel by deporting their passsport stealing spies-was removed. Replace by someone whose policies were identical except for internationally, and with a fake poll straight afterwards by ....the Lowy-Israeli- institute, showing fanfare support for the Judas. Instead the phones were heavy with anger from people and the talk back stooges like a chap Steve Lieberman fenced angry voters with platitudes and listened to stooge callers pretending rubbishy glow for Gillard- iheard what I could not believe anyone in the media would fall for.What traitors to their nation.
Watch her deal with the miners to get their support despite it being her that backed the huge tax upon them that threatened international future plunder.
I wonder why such an act had to be done now with such urgency, what terrible deed is about to be done that needs support and cover from a patsy PM in Australia? Was The Rudd talk of changing International priorities as far as Israel support goes starting to make some scared?
Apparently this ralk was echoed in the Bilderberg meeting.time for action and an example set methinks. Backed by international miners threatened by nations taxing their super profits.
will no one save the Australians from such as this? So much for the lucky country we hear, more like the rolled coutnry.they just canned their best ever prime minister-highly educated, interlligent, mulitlingual, well versed and gentil, able to make great international deals- just a bit like Anna Lindt, a threat . I guess he is lucky to be alive unlike she.
Alas the world has lost an honourable human rights defender who perhaps is one of the few who did actually care. A dark day and so few in that country have the wit to see it. Others will see it and may be cowered into toeing the line, just like the David Kelly example. I hear Rudd has been terribly sad too, so I hope he is not being spun for the same exit. be Careful Mr Rudd. No walks in woods alone, no drinks with darksouls. Beware the dazed killer randomly happening to kill. All been done before.
I wonder if dangerous times are nigh. zap
Perhaps it is all just imagination and my aussi source is wrong. I do hope so.
zapity zap zap
remember hwo the australian base was invilved in both the 911 (Lowy et al ) and iraq war(howard sent in the commandoes to secure the scuds with mav'arit a month beforethe war.Signals from australia also failed to warn about the Bali bombing despite the US shit down for their troops that weekend.the testing of Israeli weaponry in the Austrlaian desert also is to consider, now that the sea trenches cause such results.
zapity
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by Philistine on 29.06.2010 [07:50 ]
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There is also abundant research that suggests that European Jews are of non-Middle Eastern Origin and that their roots are tied to the Khazar Empire.
I think you are being very silly when you say that Israel fought with both hands tied behind their backs, after all, they hardly spared Lebanon since they ended up killing 1,000+ civilians in their blind rage, frustration, and inability to actually inflict significant damage to Hizballah.
In your analysis of a future conflict if you wanted to raise the stakes by using your funky bombs to eliminate all the people of the South you are assuming that Hizballah would be completely wiped out and would be unable to react. I'm sure Hizballah has an understanding of the types of weapons Israel possesses and that you're paranoid and crazy enough to use them. Having said that, I'm sure their response will be appropriate. Hizballah also held back in 2006. They could have bombed strategic targets like oil refineries, airports, etc... But I think they're saving that for when its needed
Also, your assumptions of Hizballahs capabilities are static. How do you know for example that they won't acquire relatively effective air defenses and other more advanced capabilities in the future? They've made big advances since the 80s, while Israel's army has gradually been viewed as being increasingly ineffective.
And remember we're just talking about Hizballah, which Israel can't handle. What about countries like Iran?
During the Crusades and after Jerusalem was liberated Salah Al-Din allowed them to leave peacefully if they paid a specific amount of money. Otherwise as far as I know some of them stayed behind. In any case, my preferred solution to the Jews in Israel would be to send them on boats back to Europe where they belong. A large portion of the European Jews have dual citizenships anyways so it won't be a problem for them.
As for the Middle Eastern Jews, I'm not sure what should be done with them, I wouldn't want them back in Iraq and the other places they escaped from. But we can figure that out when the time comes. You can maybe give us some advice on this matter as well.
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by Syrian on 29.06.2010 [08:50 ]
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Are always welcome back home, after the state of Israel is defeated, though those that left have made a mistake (and they know it).
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by Philistine on 29.06.2010 [10:20 ]
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What worries me about having too many Jews in one place is that they will resume the unsavoury practices that have made them hated for centuries, namely usury, bribing, blackmailing and controlling politicians, infiltrating strategic positions, controlling the media, etc...
Basically look at what they have done to the USA with all the increased corruption, crass materialism, consumerism, greed, dumbing down of the education system, etc...
Jews are a danger to a gentile world. However, I don't advocate genocide against them or anything of the sort, but, I feel like they should be isolated somewhere where they can be monitored continously and kept away from goyim societies, like on an island or something.
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by Ghengis on 29.06.2010 [10:22 ]
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>There is also abundant research that suggests that European Jews >are of non-Middle Eastern Origin and that their roots are tied to the >Khazar Empire.
"Abundant research", such as? Is this a genetic or linguistic research? You are evading the answer.
>I think you are being very silly ...
It is an ad hominem attack in place of the valid arguments. It seems you have nothing to say on this matter.
>if you wanted to raise the stakes by using your funky bombs to >eliminate all the people of the South
Thermobaric weapons are not "funky bombs". They are the conventional ordnance that have been in existence for many, many years. They de-oxydgenate, create large pressure and large temperature within a significant volume. They work like the gas cloud explosions and destroy everything living even if it is well hidden in a bunker. They are not for "elimination of all the people of the South", they are precisely for the destruction of the bunkers and other hidden foe within a large volume. However, the collateral damage from their use is very high. I suggest that the several salvos of these missiles at the Hezbolla strongholds would render these areas free of combatants (and of the non-combatants as well). If Hezbulla learned how to survive the thermobaric explosions, it would be exciting to watch.
>They've made big advances since the 80s, while Israel's army has >gradually been viewed as being increasingly ineffective.
From what I saw during the Lebanon and Gaza skirmishes, Israel fought half-heartedly in the light WWII style, with no engagement of their strategic resources whatsoever. Somehow, I do not believe that those resources do not exist. The Lebanon and Gaza skirmishes were the contact tactical wars with the large exposure of the soldiers to the enemy fire in order to minimize the collateral damage. The modern strategic wars are not fought is that way. Once it becomes the total war (inshallah!), it would be interesting to see who, Israel, or Hesbolla, is better capable to wage it. You know, in the total war the fedayeens would not be able to hide behind the backs of the civilians.
>And remember we're just talking about Hizballah, which Israel can't >handle. What about countries like Iran?
Iran, Syria etc. is a non-issue. Their involvement would mean a total war in which the collateral damage is not a concern.
>During the Crusades and after Jerusalem was liberated Salah Al-Din >allowed them to leave peacefully if they paid a specific amount of >money.
So, you wanna milk them for money. It is unlikely they would agree.
>In any case, my preferred solution to the Jews in Israel would be to >send them on boats back to Europe where they belong.
This is the statement I take a serious issue with. Thank you but no thank you. They do not belong to Europe. No European nation wants them. No European nation would take them. They have to stay where they are now, or you would have to find for them some other place. Where it would be ?
>As for the Middle Eastern Jews, I'm not sure what should be done >with them, I wouldn't want them back in Iraq and the other places >they escaped from. But we can figure that out when the time comes. >You can maybe give us some advice on this matter as well.
It is your fight, not mine, and I'm not to give you any advices. I don't want them in Europe, or amongst the White people in general. You don't want them in the Middle East where they are now. You have to find a place for them outside of Europe well before you embark upon your version of the final solution.
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by Philistine on 29.06.2010 [13:37 ]
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In a total war situation, Israel would be the easiest to eliminate because of their small area. So if Israel wants to remove all restraints and boundaries I'm sure their adversaries would do the same.
Also, I read about these thermo-whatever bombs, and I read about bunker busting bombs on wikipedia. Apparently, there's a bunker buster called the super-penetrator and it's penetration depth is about 6M.
So, if I can get this information, I'm assuming Hizballah, Iran and Syria can get it as well. And I'm assuming that they've designed their bunkers in a way that would make it difficult for Israel to eliminate all of them.
I also read about nuclear bunker busters, I'm assuming they're more powerful but couldn't get an idea of how much penetration depth they have. I'm still searching. In any case, I also read that there's a danger of nuclear fallout, which would probably make it risky for Israel to use on their neighbours.
As for the Jews. Europe is where the Ashkenazi came from. You should be a good host and welcome them back home with open arms. But for some reason I have a feeling that you're a member of the tribe. In which case, you should encourage them to leave. Take the Sephardim with you as well. You can use them as your servants.
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by chestergimli on 29.06.2010 [14:33 ]
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I believe that there is a region that was set aside for the Jews in southern Russia. This is where each and every one of them should be shipped including and especially the international banking elite, ie. Rothschilds et all. I am afraid that if and when this happens, they will become the worst 3rd world country in the world as they will have no one to leach off of.
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by Syrian on 29.06.2010 [14:59 ]
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Thinks Israel can survive an all-out war. They won't be able to survive long enough to sustain heavy damage against us if we strike first, their second strike ability is limited by their size. Those dolphin-class subs are good as sunk the moment they launch their first nuclear missiles.
@Philistine
Nuclear bunker busters are bunk which has been busted by scientists a long time ago.
They can't do anything about our chain of command and underground warfare using them. We've been planning for the coming war for 37 years.
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by Philistine on 29.06.2010 [15:08 ]
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Sorry a point about the origin of the Ashkenazi.
I don't really have much to say about this issue, except for one thing. If there is a genetic study that found that Jews have some genes that originated in the Middle East that still does not mean that:
(1) They originated from Palestine
(2) That their ancestors originated from Palestine
You must know by now that people in Southern Europe and in the non-Muslim and non-Arabic countries have genes that originate from the Middle East. But it would be ridicilous to claim that they originated from these areas or that they should come back and create nations there.
Similarly, you'll find people of the Levant with greek, roman, turkish, albanian, yugoslavian, ethnic origins or partial ancestral links. That would not permit me to claim one of these lands as my long lost home where I can attempt to make an ethno-centric fascist state exclusive to my people.
It also does not permit the Greeks to claim the Levant as their long lost home and does not permit them to setup a fascist Greek-only state in the Levant like the ridicilous Jews have done.
Also, there was an Israeli geneticist, Arielle Openheimer that did a study on Palestinians whereby she claimed that they represent the population that has lived in Palestine since antiquity, and that the Palestinians represent the assimilation of countless people that have settled the land. Read the details on wikipedia under "Palestinian People".
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by Ghengis on 29.06.2010 [15:10 ]
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You still have not understood the principles of the thermobaric bomb work. They are not bunker-buster, they do not penetrate the walls of the bunkers. I brought that topic because the thermobaric bombs were used by the Russians to clear up infestation of your shahids in Grozny.
Jews belong to your tribe, not mine. Ashkenazis, Sefardims, whatever, they are as semitic as you Arabs are, and should be a part of the Middle East. There you, Levantines, can con each other, destroy each other, do whatever to each other as you want or are able to, as long as you do not spill into the historical White lands that include all parts of Europe. Therefore, in their fight against you I'm certainly on their side. There is another reason: the mass Muslim infestation is the main threat to the European civillization.
I believe that the Jews should accept all of your Palestinian "refugees" currently living in the White lands, though unfortunately it is not likely to happen.
You all should go to the same place and try to leach there off each other. We should form some kind of the World Parasitorium for isolation of the Levantines. That war, social strife and the parasitic psychology ravaged land would become not the third, but the fourth world country au par with the Subsaharan Africa. This is what Gaza would be if not for the huge financing by the EU.
The EU is doing it because they do not want the Palestinian parasites anywhere in Europe. Their isolation in the Gaza welfare ghetto is the best solution.
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by Syrian on 29.06.2010 [15:10 ]
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>The Lebanon and Gaza skirmishes were the contact tactical wars with the large exposure of the soldiers to the enemy fire in order to minimize the collateral damage.
Completely contradicted by all credible reports and 1st hand witnesses.
The Israelis literally shat their pants the moment Hezbollah even shouted.
Israel is fighting a 20th century war against a 21st century enemy (hezbollah) and DOESN'T STAND A CHANCE!!! With the Air in Turkey closed on them, against Syria, THEY ARE DOOMED. They're going to be very upset over this move, I really hope it is sustained.
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by Syrian on 29.06.2010 [15:16 ]
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The best solution is the one I advocate. When Israel as a "Jewish state", is dismantled and no special treatment is given to Ashkenazi Jews (even Sephardim/"Oriental" Jews are discriminated against), most of them will leave to places like Poland, Germany and the USA. People go wherever they will prosper the most.
Those that decide to stay, must really like it there and are probably decent people, so they should be able to stay. The countries that sent them there though, must pay compensation and of course all Palestinians be given the right to return.
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by Syrian on 29.06.2010 [15:19 ]
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The AshkeNAZI supremacists claim to be semites, yet distinguish themselves above them.
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by Ghengis on 29.06.2010 [15:24 ]
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Sure, Arielle Openheimer has the first hand knowledge of the ancient people.
Yet I have no doubt that you belong to the Middle East. So are your Jewish brethren and sistren. All of you should move there.
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by Ghengis on 29.06.2010 [15:37 ]
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To your advantage I should say that you, at least, are making attempts at thinking and coming up with reasonable arguments.
Your Syrian colleague is beyond hope, he sounds more and more like someone with a severe mental retardation.
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by Syrian on 29.06.2010 [15:46 ]
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Indeed, a genius like me may seem like a mental retard to someone with alzheimer's, old man.
Just get over it, answer the points I've graced you with or stop complaining.
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by Philistine on 29.06.2010 [16:14 ]
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You've missed my point, I think I have trouble articulating myself.
Middle Eastern Genes, whatever traces the Ashkenazis may have of them, does not give them an excuse to set up an Apartheid state for their people in the Middle East.
As I explained, you'll find high traces of Middle Eastern Genes in certain Southern European nations, and traces of European genes in populations of the Levant.
That would in no way mean that we can claim each others lands as an exclusive state for our people - whichever way our people are 'defined'.
So, using that reasoning, your genetic study does not suggest that the Ashkenazi belong in any way to Palestine, at least by not by setting up an Apartheid Exclusive Jewish State, anymore than a Greek, Italian, etc... would be justified in doing the same.
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by Syrian on 29.06.2010 [16:24 ]
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ht tp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1244654/Study-finds-Britons-descended-farmers-left-Iraq-Syria-10-000-years-ago.html
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by Philistine on 29.06.2010 [16:27 ]
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You're deliberatly exagerating. I don't think the Palestinian population in Europe is anything significant. In North America they're around maybe 60-70,000 Palestinians. I can't imagine there are many more in Europe. I can hardly see how they're a burden on Europe.
Second of all, you're deliberately playing on the paranoia and fear of Muslims which really does not have much to do with what we're discussing here. Whatever your opinion of the Muslims in Europe is, just remember, that most of them were allowed in by the European governments as cheap labour, so look at your governments if you want someone to blame.
Israel and the Ashkenazi have nothing to do with the Muslim population in Europe, since Israel's establishment began well before there was a significant Muslim population in Europe - at least compared to today's populaiton.
If your goal is to create a racially white European state good luck. I wonder how the Southern Europeans would fit in to your plan. It's really not my problem in any case. Your ridicilous dreams have nothing to do with me, and since Ashkenazi Jews are white skinned, they will make a welcome addition to your White European State.
Otherwise, if you want to use that pathetic gene excuse to suggest that Ashkenazis belong in the Middle East, then that would justify the people of the Levant claiming parts of Greece or Italy as a state, or the people of Southern Europe claiming parts of the LEvant or Egypt as a state.
What you and Zionist supporters tend to do is drag down the level of discourse to silly and ridicilous levels. By using your flimsy premises to suggest that the Ashkenazi are jusitified in creating an exclusively Jewish State in Palestine would basically set a precedent for other peoples to go around making similar claims for their supposed long lost lands.
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by Philistine on 29.06.2010 [16:41 ]
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Ha Ha Ha seriously, if people follow the stupid precedent of Israel then the world will become quite chaotic since in the end we all came from the same place!
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by DarkStar on 29.06.2010 [20:00 ]
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I think I should emphasize that not only were they allowed in but they were initially asked to come by the european governments... Well, at least I know that first hand about France as I read, when I was a teenager, a letter signed by the late french president de Gaulle, addressed to the father of an arab classmate of mine, asking him to come and work in France because France was needing him...
There is no plan or threat from Islam to take over the west through immigration, there is no threat to the west from Iran more than there was from Iraq and it's not because allegedly 19 islamist dudes hijacked 4 airliners in the US and used them as weapons that the western "freedom" and way of life is under any threat. All that is empty rhetoric void of almost any real substance but it suits the zionist agenda who needs the mighty west to be in permanent conflict with the muslim world as to weaken it enough so that Israel might have a chance to one day to grab all those currently muslim occupied lands and expand onto them into a transcontinental empire dominating the whole planet.
And I am finding by reading him that Ghengis' arguments are almost straight out of the mouth of the dutch ziofascist Geert Wilders...
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by DarkStar on 29.06.2010 [20:46 ]
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I think that blaming ashkenazi for what happens is erroneous because it is not ashkenazis who are at the root of the problem even though they are nowadays quite massively at the forefront.
In my opinion it is the judaic belief system that is principally (but not only) embodied in the Talmud that is to blame for the jews/zionists criminal behaviour.
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by DarkStar on 29.06.2010 [20:49 ]
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ashkenazis by a few milleniums I forgot to say...
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