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Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook dies
By: AFP + Guardian on: 06.08.2005 [19:23 ] (7773 reads)
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by intissar1 on 06.08.2005 [19:45 ]
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To say the least. I would be Galloway I would watch my back.
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by observing on 06.08.2005 [19:53 ]
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by mafia boss tiny blair. a man who orders the death of thousands won't hesitate to remove all those nasty people who blame the london bombings on him.
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by asoka on 06.08.2005 [20:07 ]
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Los gobiernos de Blair y Bush son los mayores terroristas de nuestros tiempos, nadie está a salvo. Cuidado Galloway, si hablas muy fuerte te dará un colapso, o cogeras un cancer. Todos estamos expuestos. El mundo está loco y lo único que importa a los poderes ecónomicos es manipularnos y dirigirnos. En vuestro país ya se han cargado a alguien que estaba contra el recorte de derechos fundamentales de las personas que propone Blair. Vivimos una gran mentira y casi nadie le da importancia. ESTO ES UNA DICTADURA EN DEMOCRACIA.
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by Bettyswallocks on 06.08.2005 [20:07 ]
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When it was first reported it was described as an accident on the mountain, then another report said he was with his wife and another said he was out with a male companion.
Yet another critic of Blair dies in the bossom of mother nature. David Kelly in a forest and now Robin Cook on a scottish mountain side.
I am actually thinking of doing a postcard series of beautyspots where blairs critics have met their death. How about David Shayler having a boating accident on the bonny banks of Loch Lomand for the next one.
B.s.
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by asoka on 06.08.2005 [20:10 ]
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...all of us can see what will come to our west decocracys if you are not totally with me you are my enemy and will dia.
Be careful Galloway!
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by Paperino on 06.08.2005 [21:01 ]
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...the last drop was Cook's annotation about the real origin of Al-Qaeda - that is, "the data-base".
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by kamau on 06.08.2005 [21:09 ]
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...did somebody say CONSPIRACY????????????
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by boardman on 06.08.2005 [21:25 ]
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. . . that only 'good guys' are assassinated.
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by marxoid on 06.08.2005 [22:09 ]
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There is an old Scottish joke. A rapid atheist finally kicks the bucket. He is hauled up before God Almighty and says "Lord, I didna ken". God, looking like a fiery beared Calvinist, says "Welll, ye ken the noo"
I doubt if Babelfish can translate this.
Cookie never really got it.
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by eureka on 07.08.2005 [03:19 ]
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First of all, I would want to express my deepest condolences to the Cook family and the british people at the passing of this noble gentleman. He will be sorely missed. However, I am not fully convinced that this was a normal passing.
Consequently, let me warn my good friend George, not Uncle George, my vicious and depraved uncle in north A, but George Galloway, the local hero; that he ought to be very careful who he eats and drinks with from here onwards.
There are some potions that if ingested can be fatal while at the same time masking the actual causes of death, making it appear to be natural causes.
Please be careful, George, we wouldn't want to miss you now that Robin has made a most untimely and unexpected exit.
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by CANUKISTAN_VIEW on 07.08.2005 [04:14 ]
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. . . . MURDER MURDER ...LAST WEEK WAS THE CREATOR OF THE EURO -DUISENBEG FOUND DEAD IN SWIMMING POOL IN FRANCE - NOW THE CORAGEOUS COOK - BEFORE TWO USA SENATORS
. . . . TERRORIZE PEOPLE: PAUL TIBBITS commander and and pilot of the USA bomber "Enola Gay", that in the mronng of August 5, 1945 dropped the first nuclear bomb on Hiroshima said THAT HE HAS NO DOUBT THAT HE WILL DO IT AGAIN IF CIRCUMSTANCES WERE THE SAME - This sob still does not get it that he is a murder and a war criminal protected by the fact that USA "won" the war (Sovietd really defeated Hitler).
. . . NO PRIVACY AT ALL - THIS IS NEXT: HUMANS AND COWS WILL SHARE THE SAME TECHNOLOGY FOR IDENTIFICATION USING IMPLANTED CHIPS (RICE SIZE) - HE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE FREQUENCY BAND - BUT THIS CAN CHANGED TOO AS WELL AS THE PROGRAMMING OF THE CHIP AND ITS ULTIMATE PURPOSE ! ! !
RFID Chips Promise To Revamp Medicine - WHAT A CRAP BUT KEEP READING!
"I felt it important that somebody try this new technology," Dr. John Halamka told United Press International. Halamka is chief information officer at the CareGroup Healthcare System and Harvard Medical School, and an emergency physician at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston. THIS BASTARD MUST BE A ZIONAZI
ht tp://www.spacedaily.com/news/gps-05zzzo.html
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by stopwar on 07.08.2005 [05:33 ]
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which started with the unexpected death of John Smith - an event which allowed Blair, instead of the former or the party favourite, Gordon Brown, to succeed to the throne.
Official account:
ht tp://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/12/newsid_2550000/2550803.stm
Many believe that John Smith's death was not "natural causes".
Example (from early 1997):
"Within a year of Blair attending the Bilderberg bash in Greece, he was leading the Labour Party following the sudden death of Bilderberger, John Smith. I still do not believe that Smith's death by a "heart attack" was natural causes. Blair was elected to replace Smith with massive support from the media, including the newspapers of the Elite yes man, Rupert Murdoch. From the moment Blair took over, all hell broke loose in John Major's Conservative Government. Leaks, rows, and scandals were unleashed to create chaos and disarray, and to send the government's opinion poll ratings plummeting. Blair is now well ahead in the polls with the next General Election very close."
ht tp://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/secret_societies/eurospid.html
Who was "kingmaker" after John Smith's death? Peter Mandelson. Mandelson is now a European Commissioner.
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by stopwar on 07.08.2005 [05:40 ]
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by Neal on 07.08.2005 [05:42 ]
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Rule is splash egg on the leaders face by disagreeing with the party line and you die.
Oh well that's another politician dead ... who's next .. we have to rid the world of them all before 2010.
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by stopwar on 07.08.2005 [05:47 ]
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ht tp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6185.htm
As former Foreign Secretary, Cook would know much that could embarrass Blair. In particular, perhaps, about the war in Kosovo, the "assassination" of Jill Dando, and its subsequent cover-up.
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by stopwar on 07.08.2005 [05:57 ]
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As a New Zealander, did you hear about the death of Blair Peach. I put this on another thread, with you in mind, but it was quite a long time ago.
Here's a link:
ht tp://www.dkrenton.co.uk/anl/southall.htm
A long article, but you will see that Peach died a hero, helping to protect a beleaguered Asian Community from the National Front, and he was killed by police. I think Pink Floyd's "Waiting for the Worms", released later the same year, was written with this in mind.
It may be considered by some as a ridiculous thing to say, but IMHO Live8 did acheive ONE thing useful - bringing Pink Floyd back together...
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by CreosoteChris on 07.08.2005 [07:55 ]
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Sometimes I despair at the fantasy group-think of the community on this website. A 59year-old geezer collapses and dies whilst out doing vigorous exercise, and no-one apparently considers for a moment, that it might just be a normal, real-life event - that shit happens.
Now clearly the death of Cook is pretty handy for Blair and the New Labour establishment. But just how do you assassinate someone near the peak of a scottish mountain in the company of his wife, and do it so that even she doesn't suspect foul play? There aren't any credible methods. Hang on, you're going to tell me it was a Mossad covert operation. Yeah, right.
It's OK to suspect murder and give it due consideration, but due consideration here reveals:
- Possibility of a tragically young but natural death >99.999%
- Possibility of murder >00.001%
The antiwar movement's credibility is undermined by knee-jerk reactions to every event that turn it into another bollocks conspiracy. 59 year-old politicians sometimes die, so do 59-year-old roadsweepers.
Get real, get over it, shit happens,
Regards Chris
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by Yasis on 07.08.2005 [10:06 ]
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Fair enough CreosoteChris. There is a lack of evidence.
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by stopwar on 07.08.2005 [11:17 ]
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this time I agree; there is no evidence. But plenty of other events have happened to favour TonyBlair, and this will not hinder the growing perception that wheels are turning in the background to his favour.
Have you listened to the interview with the passenger on Luton station yet - the one who said the 7.40 am train was cancelled?
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by Lambros on 07.08.2005 [13:46 ]
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ht tp://newszealand.blogspot.com/2005/07/police-shot-bombers-reports-new.html
Nothing about this in the UK press.
Off topic - Did you know it was the government who started fmd and that is why there was no public inquiry. Bobby Waugh in Heddon on the Wall was a scapegoat maybe it was the farmers' punishment for the fuel blockade.
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by boardman on 07.08.2005 [17:06 ]
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. . . there are no accidents!
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 07.08.2005 [17:16 ]
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When the Savak murderd Dr. Ali Shariati, they fired a small poison tipped needle into his neck that he barely felt. He died several hours later.
The imperialists' strategy makers have been developing assasination techniques for decades to use on people like Castro and on others.
If they wanted to take someone out in public and make it look like an accident, they very easily could.
60 years old is not that old these days and Cook was not overweight, or a chain smoker, or diabetic, or an alcoholic. His only dangerous habit
was opposing Blair. Otherwise, he led a fairly healthy lifestyle. His life expectancy would would have been about another 15 years.
Foul play is a very reasonable option to consider here, perhaps even more likely than an accident.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 07.08.2005 [17:18 ]
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Shariati was shot in a public place and died hours later in the company of his family.
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by wings on 07.08.2005 [20:10 ]
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My 86 year old friend still drives. She doesn't need glasses to read, and her mental faculties are still sharp as a tack. Her husband was a Brigadier General in the military and he was 96 when he expired. He was quite alive and active until the day he died of heart failure.
For Mr. Cook to die unexpectedly at the age of 59 is definitely more suspicious, given that he had public grieviences against Mr. Blair.
American's can't speak against Jews in public anymore because Bush signed into law an Anti-Semitic Bill.
ht tp://www.dailyhowler.com/dh010604.shtml
Why is it so hard to believe people can be rubbed out just by speaking out in referrence to their beliefs? That was the first thing I thought about when I saw this article. Of course, Tony wouldn't have his fingerprints on the glass, but that still does not hold him from suspician of the deed in the eyes of the world.
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by wings on 07.08.2005 [20:11 ]
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My condolences to his family and loved ones. He was a truth warrior.
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by marxoid on 07.08.2005 [22:11 ]
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So what, he was ineffectual. Why waste time on him?
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by Bettyswallocks on 07.08.2005 [22:13 ]
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calling him a truth warrior but it is clear what Blair has planned was even too much for this corrupt person.
B S
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by CreosoteChris on 07.08.2005 [22:16 ]
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OK, a few comments here.....
I don't find the poison-dart theory credible. People who die of poisoning don't do so whilst near the summit of a mountain in in the Scottish highlands. The symptoms of death by poisoning by slow-acting poisons, are a feeling of illness over a period of time (at least a few minutes) then loss of consciousnees and death. The symptoms of acute heart faliure are sudden collapse and death. Where does the evidence point?
Regarding Cook's lifestyle, no-one on this board has any real insight. Many smokers and drinkers assiduously conceal their guilty habits, even from close friends. Many people are genetically predisposed to heart disease, politicians like Cook work punishing 14-hour days, suffer extreme stress, etc etc.
Regarding 86-year-olds who are very fit and active, well, I'm very happy for them. But Douglas Adams, author of the Hitch-hikers guide, died in the gym about a year ago, and so what? All it proves is that statistics are
insignificant when applied to very small datasets. Selecting individuals is worthless for drawing statistical conclusions.
Possibilty of heart failure - very high
Possibility of assassination - almost zero.
Blair may be a deranged idiot who gives uncritical support to the Bush worldview, but he believes in his own vision and insight - he believes that he will defeat his enemies through his political acumen, and his greatness as a politician.
Get real, get over it, shit happens
Regards Chris
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by stopwar on 07.08.2005 [23:37 ]
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"The best of Robin Cook was in his resignation. He left the Cabinet on the eve of war, in protest at the imminent invasion of Iraq, with a speech that gripped the nation. It was typically elegant and concise. And typically devastating.
Cook's demolition of his own leader's case for war that day in March 2003 employed all his dazzling skills as a Parliamentarian. It also summed up the paradoxes of his career. Few could beat him on the floor of the House of Commons, but he admitted that he did not have the looks to be party leader. He loved his job as Leader of the Commons, but his appointment to the job had been as a result of his removal from the higher office of Foreign Secretary. He was a man of high principle, but his attempt to establish foreign policy with "an ethical dimension" had been a public relations disaster."
Full article:
ht tp://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article304305.ece
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.08.2005 [01:51 ]
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I just came to work and turned my computer on, loggen into this site and seen his death as headline news. A surprize to start the week.
Reading a few comments I would just like to say Woah! Wait there.!!
Just becasue this man resigned over the Iraq war doesn't make him a hero. The information he had could have brought the bastards in Govt down years ago and could also have seen them face court action for mass murder. He never did one thing to oppose bLiar. Not 1 thing. Geoffery Howe left the snatcher Thatcher Govt on a far less serious issue but was catalytic in her downfall. Cook offered no such effect.
When he resigned, what he was saying is "I will not have anything to do with the war in Iraq, but you can do what you want" whereas he should have said "I will not have anything to do with the war in Iraq, and I will do everything in my power to stop you.". He didn't and we should never forget this. The slaughter of so many Iraq's demands this of us at the very least.
This man also presided over the horrific sanctions over Iraq and also supported without question the arial bombing campaigns from US and UK forces.
OK. His resignation meant that he wasn't as rotton as some of the other MP's but he sure wasn't any saviour either - especially in relation to the innocents of Iraq that were begging for people to come to their help, and not simple watch their slaughter from the sidelines.
Is Cooks death is political assassination? It could well be as we have already seen that bLiar is willing to sacrifice the lives of Brit soldiers on a pack of lies and oversees the murder of 56 people in London as a member of the fear spreading swines which are knowingly and purposely spreading this devisve fear all over the world.
When will WE stop doing a Cook and stand back, not having anything to do with it yet watch in silence as it goes on unopposed.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.08.2005 [02:12 ]
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Yeah thats right. John Smiths death was totally ut of the Blue and allowed that shitbag Tony bLiar to become leader. Remember the other two lame duct candidates? Biffa Bacon Prescott and Margaret Howawkard. The devious plot thickens even more. Perhaos Cooks death was natural - I mena people do die of natural causes and I think Cooks death has not much suspicious evidence about it at this time, other than the fact he spoke out about the war once in a while followed by unending support for the Killer perportating the war. (what kind of dumbwit position is that???)
So I think that people should focus on the death of Dr David Kelly as his death is riddles with lies and suspicious occurances and is easier to prove the death lips of bLiar blew a kiss in Kelly's direction.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.08.2005 [02:25 ]
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You do us all a disservice by suggesting that people are going to shout Mossad.
Up until your post, NOONE said that at all! YOU were the first one to say that.
Yeah shit happens but recent history has shown that the shit comes from the
those we elect to represent us (laughable sugestion I know).
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.08.2005 [03:50 ]
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The antiwar movement's credibility is undermined by knee-jerk reactions to every event that turn it into another bollocks conspiracy.
But Chris...
The 'Official' antiwar movement NEVER mentiones ANY conspiracy other than to launch a volley of riducule across its bows. I know, beacuse I always look out for them to mention it. I look becasue I actually feel, the 9-11 conspiracy shows that its ALL we see today (which draws upon 9-11) is a total shit sandwich, with an extra dollop of shit, and its being fed to the public. And the bloody public love it!!!, chewing it slowly, rolling the flavour around on its tounge, swallowng with satisfaction.
I know the official antiwar movement dont make reference to 'conspiracy' becuase I have complained to those anti-war people asking WHY the proveable evidence of the conspiracy is NEVER mentioned. Lew Rockwell columnists, Paul Reynolds (BBC correspondant), Media Lens... To me it seems like they dare not touch it for fear of being laughed at and are fearful of being called UFO nuts! They play within the line of officialdom. Their fear of what people might say, overrides the obviously immensely more important justice that those that have liquidated as pawn in this game, rightly deserve.
I can take your poitn though, not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. But when credible evidence emerges which suggests otherwise, then to dismiss conspiracy is a rotton lie. As yet there is no evidence of Cooks murder.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.08.2005 [03:54 ]
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Iranian Shiite cuts through with a fine and darkly humourous point...
His only dangerous habit was opposing Blair.
BTW I.S. someone said you smelled of Kosher. I was meaning to ask the author of that bizzare statement why he said that but didn't have time. If I.S. smells Kosher then we have curly sideburns and nod a lot!
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by Bettyswallocks on 08.08.2005 [14:45 ]
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Surely they haven't done a David Kelly to him was my first thought when
I heard of Robin Cooks death. Several contradictory stories later that
is exactly what I think. First reports state that he was up on the
mountain with a male companion, then the one with his wife and a group of
friends, then the one with his wife and a group of walkers who came to
their aid, his wife and one unknown walker who dialled 999 from his
phone, his wife and 2 unknown walkers one helping with the CPR; Or she
didn't go in the Helicopter because their was no room(Scottish Sunday
Mail) or because when asked by captain Tim Noble if she was next of kin
she answered 'no'(Scottish Daily Mirror). Jonathan Oliver in his article
in the Mail on Sunday stated that he was talked to Mr Cook moments
before he died, on Mr Cooks Mobile Phone; Yet Ambulance operator Heather
Mackintosh who guided Gaynor and the unknown walker through CPR on this
persons phone, stated "Neither Mr or Mrs Cook had a mobile, I don't know
the man who called was, he didn't give his name"(Scottish Daily Mirror
080802).
I believe if this was simply a case of natural death the story would be
simple. I think I have demonstrated that the story is far from simple.
Either this is journalism of the shoddiest possible nature or Robin
Cook was murdered.
Regards
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by adil_nazeem on 08.08.2005 [14:52 ]
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their victim the greatest respect.
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by onlyhuman on 08.08.2005 [16:20 ]
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first David Kelly then Joe Vialls and now Robin Cook.
Sure as hell shit happens...
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.08.2005 [16:20 ]
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I think I have demonstrated that the story is far from simple.
Yes, there is some contraiction. But why kill him? Who benefits? The death will not be to bLiars advantage.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.08.2005 [16:24 ]
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die and not the rotscum. Shit does happen, but often much of it is planned! Hard to say if here, Cooks death was murder. But if there was evidence of a conspiracy it certainly wouldn't shock me! thats for sure!
Long live the IR.
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by adil_nazeem on 08.08.2005 [16:29 ]
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bad people kill them.
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by CreosoteChris on 08.08.2005 [16:37 ]
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Regarding Mossad, I was merely commenting that it's a subject frequently brought up on this site. Clearly this is true.
Regarding the official antiwar movement, I never mentioned them. I did mention the posters on this site, so it's fairly easy to work out who I was referring to.
Regarding Bettyswallocks, your post is drivel, logically bankrupt, conspiracy bollocks of the first order.
The murder theory remains completely lacking in any evidence of any substantive value.
Regards Chris
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by onlyhuman on 08.08.2005 [17:06 ]
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the Sumatran Tsunami, which kills more 300,000 lifes.
My god, shit do really happens.
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by Lambros on 08.08.2005 [17:11 ]
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although a return to Cabinet role for Cook was on the cards and any hope of Labour returning to the left died with Robin Cook.
But what is more important and has been completely ignored by the media is the two suicide bombers killed in Canary Wharf on 7/7. Who were these guys and why a is there a news block on this incident?
This is just a non news issue everywhere even on Iraq War because this is the third time I have mentioned it on this forum and nodody gives a toss about it. Obviously whether or not Robin Cook was murdered is much more important.
ht tp://newszealand.blogspot.com/2005/07/police-shot-bombers-reports-new.html
'Police shot bombers' reports New Zealander.
A New Zealander working for Reuters in London says two colleagues witnessed the unconfirmed shooting by police of two apparent suicide bombers outside the HSBC tower at Canary Wharf in London. The New Zealander, who did not want to be named, said the killing of the two men wearing bombs happened at 10.30am on Thursday (London time). Following the shooting, the 8000 workers in the 44-storey tower were told to stay away from windows and remain in the building for at least six hours, the New Zealand man said. He was not prepared to give the names of his two English colleagues, who he said witnessed the shooting from a building across the road from the tower.
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by onlyhuman on 08.08.2005 [17:26 ]
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USUK pigs did invade Iraq illegally killing half a million of its people, is it not?
What can we say about these invading people and its leaders except them 'Pigs'
P.S. Thats more than 300,000 killed in the Sumatran tsunami.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.08.2005 [17:29 ]
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YEs Chris, Mossad is frequently brought up, but no-one mentioned it here. People on this site dont just bring up that dirty evil organisation without good reason. So far, there's no evidence to say that we should make this link therefore it's wasn;t mentioned.
The antiwar movement's credibility is undermined by knee-jerk reactions to every event that turn it into another bollocks conspiracy.
yet...
Regarding the official antiwar movement, I never mentioned them.
One can be forgiven for taking your statement about the antiwar movement to incorporate organisations like stop-the-war-coalition, especially as you never drew any distinction between what I called the 'official' antiwar movement and the posters on sites such as this, particularly as not all of us here do this knee-jerking, so your statment would not perticularly over 'us here'.
No offence meant. Sorry.
swetty does not say there is evidence. He/she says the story is muddled and is suspicious. He/she also sources the contradictory statements. As far as it goes, he has a point.
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by wings on 08.08.2005 [19:43 ]
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I admit you all know Mr. Cook better than I do. I only know what was written about him in this article, which made me proud to believe he would go against Tony Blair on the Iraq war.
Mr. Cooks death probably was natural. Peter Jennings just died too. Of lung cancer.
ht tp://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2005/08/the_death_of_pe.html
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by CreosoteChris on 08.08.2005 [19:57 ]
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OK I was a bit short of time before, and would like to add a couple of things.
First, no personal offense here, I sometimes write rather tersely, I'm not trying to put anyone down personally.
And having described swetty's post as "drivel, logically bankrupt, conspiracy bollocks of the first order" I think he/she deserves an explanation.
The problem is this: swetty's theory is logically predicated on the belief that natural causes deaths are reported accurately or unambiguously, and that murder is reperted in a confused way.
And there is no reason whatsoever to believe this to be true, it's a wholly arbitrary judgement designed to indicate or raise suspicion that Cook was murdered. Swetty decided to reach the conclusion that Cook was murdered, and then formulated some worthless "logic" to prove it.
In reality, the accuracy of reporting varies according to many different factors, but not the cause of death.
So I know I sound a bit harsh, and no personal offense to swetty or anyone else here, however I stand by my comment.
Regards Chris
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by onlyhuman on 08.08.2005 [20:24 ]
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shit do happens, I agree with you. No offence.
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by marxoid on 08.08.2005 [20:50 ]
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The problem with the Canary Wharf incident is no witness names, no follow-up. Did it happen? Who knows?
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by Paperino on 08.08.2005 [22:47 ]
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>I don't find the poison-dart theory credible.
So not only you don't believe something like that happened, you don't even deem it theoretically possible.
>People who die of poisoning don't do so whilst near the summit of a
mountain in in the Scottish highlands.
Why? Are the Scottish Highlands protective against poison?
>The symptoms of death by poisoning by slow-acting poisons, are a feeling of illness over a period of time (at least a few minutes) then loss of consciousnees and death.
So what? Do you have any evidence this was not the case? Do you know how long it was since Cook had last eaten? Do you know how he had been feeling in the minutes preceding his death?
Anyway, what you claim is bollocks. There are plenty of poisons out there capable of inducing an immediate heart attack. As for the delayed effect, look no further than a regular gelatin capsule (well, maybe smaller in this case); it will melt during digestion, deliver the poison, voila. Easy as cake.
>The symptoms of acute heart faliure are sudden collapse and death.
So what? Do you have evidence this was the case?
>Where does the evidence point?
The evidence points univocally to the fact that special operations are special-ly designed so as to make deaths appear natural when they are not. The evidence also points to the enemies of Blair and the empire's being very unfortunate these days, and, as in the case with Kelly, dying with some help from outside. So i really don't see how one can be sure business is wholly as usual, as you appear to be.
To Mike-Malaysia: you say, "this death will not be to Bliar's advantage". Excuse me, but it sounds naive to me. Heck, it will. Because, *even if it was a natural death* (which i believe is not), each and any Bliar's opponent, maybe possessing particular and "dangerous" knowledge, will think twice before speaking out and/or opposing Bliar. You can never be sure these days.
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