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Venezuelan leader lashes at US in UN speech (added)
By: Jeff Haynes, KIM GAMEL on: 16.09.2005 [01:51 ] (7323 reads)
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President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela displays a note calling him to terminate his speech after his five-minute alotment
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September 16, 2005, 02:12 gmt
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by eureka on 16.09.2005 [02:17 ]
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This man is to be admired and respected; a man of honour; a leader who leads from the front; who is not afraid to call a spade a spade. It takes courage to do what is right in today's world and I want to salute you Mr Chavez for having that courage, that moral fortitude, to stand up and speak the truth.
May the remainder of your days be blessed. Viva Chavez; Viva Chavez.
Peace
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by Don Gaucho Americanus on 16.09.2005 [02:27 ]
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The headquarters of the NEW institution that will replace the UN must be located in iternational waters, best in a man-made archipelago, with full jurisdiction. The UN headquarters in Usandal territory? It is like setting surgery ward in a toxic&infectious dump.
Viva Bolivar! Cruz del Sur.
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by _merk_ on 16.09.2005 [02:42 ]
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even if that USan stands neck-deep in shit delivered personally by his government to choke him, he will say: Oh my God, you're defending a COMMUNIST? This has happened to me so many times, I've given up.
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by verve on 16.09.2005 [02:53 ]
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useless as tits on a bull. The Iraq war, and the lies they trotted out before it, made it complacient, every leader there was as guilty as the 'house boy' and his fake yellow cake and viles of toxins (excuse my racism, but how else do you explain him, he a supposed General, of supposed inteligence, valour and honor; prick).
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by verve on 16.09.2005 [03:04 ]
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you're jokin', right? Chavez, a communist? Are you sure they called him a communist, that's like, almost giving them credit for intelligence. Sorry, but I find it impossible to beleive that US citizens know who Chavez is, let alone his politics. Are you sure they didn't confuse the question and thought you were talking about George Lopez?
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by verve on 16.09.2005 [03:09 ]
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give Hugo credit, he's got big balls to walk into GW's back yard and call him/his country a 'terraist', in NY City no less, Hugo, you da man!
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by _merk_ on 16.09.2005 [03:26 ]
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guess what, I had to google George Lopez ROFL ....
Most may not know exactly who Chavez is, but know that he's not approved by the FDA (ha) .. so he's gotta be something bad and un-american and "communist" is about the worst thing they can imagine.
I once spoke with a high school science teacher and mentioned Wolfowitz (when he almost got his butt blown off in Iraq) The guy asked me "Who's Wolfowitz?" The same guy had served in the first Gulf war. Yeah, there isn't much hope. But I got to be honest .. the older USan's aren't so stupid. It's just that nobody listens to them.
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by USAn on 16.09.2005 [04:16 ]
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Who the hell is George Lopez?
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by USAn on 16.09.2005 [04:21 ]
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Sometimes I wish Chavez-Frias could be a bit more subtle with the truth.
Yeah, i know, he would just get CIA-assassinated anyway, like Torrijos and Allende did.
But, who is George Lopez?
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by bayside on 16.09.2005 [04:41 ]
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Mr. Chavez is partially corrrect. The USA has become, not as Mr Chavez stated as a terrorist state, but as a fascist government advancing anti-democratic terrorist (al quiada) to promote the US's own form of corporate democracy through pre-emptive invasions, restrictions on constitutional rights and secret agendas. The majority of foreign "insurgents" in Iraq and Afghanistan are from the US or the UK. And now they are in New Orleans and will soon to be in a any town,city or country close to home when dissent bears her beautiful feet. It is far past time for us to march against the neo-cons, sell your US dominated stocks and force the impeachment of the shrub and his neo-cons that have destroyed the global community.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 16.09.2005 [05:00 ]
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quote bayside: " . . . but as a fascist government advancing anti-democratic . . . . "
Mussolini defined fascism as the merger of state and industry. In the U.S. there is such a close connection between state and corporation (Chenney and Haliburton, for example ) that the U.S. can rightly be called a fascist state according to Mussoloni's definition. Besides, it seems to me that Capitalism ultimately leads to fascism before it turns the masses into serfs and then collapses from within.
The U.S. is also not democratic because the corporate influenced two parties control by diktat who shall be allowed to run for office and then the corporations dole out campaign contributions to their favorite candidate to use in the corporate owned media.
Essentially the corporations decide who runs for office and then they decide which of those few will get the best campaign publicity.
Even with its disqualifications, Iran allows more candidates to run for president than the USA.
After all that, it is not even the voters who decide who becomes president in the USA; it is the electoral college. So, the Diebold machines don't matter anyways since the last word is with the electoral college.
The USA is fascist and it is undemocratic. The evidence bears that out plainly.
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by pdove on 16.09.2005 [05:02 ]
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I think what Chavez is to Latin/South America is what Chairman Mao is to China. I admire him, and wish him and his people all the best.
But I am fearful of his safety, as Criminal Bush will take him out at first opportunity. We know US government can do anything to achieve their goals. That is why US barred his medical and secure team.
Be Careful, Our Hero and Light.
Heaven Bless Chavez!
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by Neal on 16.09.2005 [05:44 ]
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by boardman on 16.09.2005 [05:49 ]
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. . . the Mussolini brand of fascism — committee rule by the state, big business and labor — appears to be morphing toward a new triumvirate --- the state, big business and the media! (Organized labor in the USA has been decimated by decades of attacks, both within and from without, and is no longer a major factor.)
Joseph Goebbels' created much of the propaganda machine which became the model for those media tyrants succeeding him; however, the greatest unintended consequence in history — the internet — may yet save the day.
Bob
ps: Pray for Chavez
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by Rubber on 16.09.2005 [07:26 ]
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'*World leaders had been asked to speak for five minutes, and when Chavez kept talking, the presiding diplomat passed him a note that his time was up. The Venezuelan leader threw the note on the floor and said if Bush could speak for 20 minutes at Wednesday's opening session, so could he.
At the end, Chavez's remarks got what observers said was the loudest applause of the summit.*
And I am applauding him, right now!
I would like to nominate Hugo Chavez for President of all of America!!
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by Mike-Malaysia on 16.09.2005 [07:34 ]
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OK, It'll stop the Unites Sheiks from eing able to refuse Visas and intimidate people. I think a central African state / middle east state would be a good place for it. Its 'kinda' central.
Perhaps Itan?
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by spartacus11 on 16.09.2005 [08:58 ]
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Im surprised at South America's history of producing once in a while the most admired revolutionary minds. Hugo Chavez is one of these few people.
God Bless the Guy and protect him. Salute!
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by profile on 16.09.2005 [10:52 ]
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Hugo Chavez is Pro the American People and admires America(U.S Constitution-Bill of Rights).
Chavez is Anti-U.S Administration and the Colonialism which has come with the Administrations the last 50 years.
Chavez made a speech which i remember was placed on this website some 6 months previous.The Words were.
"America is No Longer America,America is an Occupied Nation and the Good American People Need To Liberate their Own Country".
What happened then was that Chavez has booted out RDP Royal Dutch Shell owned by Holland/Belgium.Taken back Land owned by Non Venezuelans which was held mainly by Europeans.Then introduced his own T.V Station Telesur.With This Hugo Chavez words were."Latin America needs to get away from Euro-Vision dominating L.A".That was a direct pop at Europe.As were the land seizures/booting out EU conglomerates and U.S Ones.
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [10:56 ]
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...A new look at my One World Government page and tell me I'm wrong now...
I wonder why Bible prophecy is such a rage among you anglosaxons. In Bizanitum the national intellectual sport was discussing the sex of angels, i don't know which o th 2,000 factions had it right.
Concerning biblic prophecy, your 2,001 version of a Bible-based future might just as well be the right one. It's a number game and as the crowd of wanna-be Bible luminaries increases some fool mecessarily gets lucky and takes his luck for an intellectual accomplishment. We'll se if it's you the one. Good luck!
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [11:01 ]
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... Hugo Chavez is Pro the American People and admires America(U.S Constitution-Bill of Rights)...
Hugo Chavez never approved a US Constitution written by slave owners to protect their "rights". If this is your interpretation of his words ..America is No Longer America,America is an Occupied Nation... then you are totally wrong!
...Taken back Land owned by Non Venezuelans which was held mainly by Europeans...
if the main losers are Europeans as you pretend, then how come all the noise and threats come forn the United Sodomites of AmeriKKKa? You're lying through your teeth again, profile.
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [11:09 ]
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When the US Constitution was written, slaveowners not only insisted that their right to own slaves be guaranteed. They insisted on being politically rewarded for practicing slavery. The Founding Fathers, the most eminent of them being slaveowners themselves, obliged. They created a federal system in which slaves were treated as property, not human beings, except for certain explicitly defined political purposes. In those cases, and those cases only, our Founding Fathers decided, would slaves be treated as human beings-though only partial ones. As the very first article of the US Constitution put it, each state's representation in the House of Representatives "shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other Persons."
That "three-fifths of all other Persons" provision of the US Constitution meant that the more slaves a state had, the more members of Congress it got. How many more? The US Constitution set up a mathematical formula right out of grade-school arithmetic class. Count up all your slaves, boys and girls. Now multiply them by three, and divide by five, and there is your answer.
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by profile on 16.09.2005 [11:38 ]
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Chavez less than a month ago made a speech part of that speech read."Venezuela will Never Become Anyones Colony Again".
Those Words bring right into play Spains/Portugals (Europes) historical Colonisation and abuse of L.A people.Pit those words together with Chavez Saying "Venezuela/L.A need to get away from Euro-Vision in L.A".Along with Words "America is No longer America,America is an occupied Country and the good America people Need to Liberate their own Country."
All of the above are just words,But look at Chavezs Actions which accompany those words.
Created the L.A independant T.V media company Telesur.Booted out RDP Shell and other European/Companies and Retook unused land owned by Europeans (Non Venezuelans).
Those are all tell tale signs of what Chavez really thinks what is going on.
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [11:48 ]
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...Those Words bring right into play Spains/Portugals (Europes) historical Colonisation and abuse of L.A people...
Wrong again, profile, the United Sodomites of AmeriKKKa consider Venezuela a colony of theirs, the United Sodomites of AmeriKKKa consider it has property rights on Venezuelan oil, the United Sodomites of AmeriKKKa organized and financed a "coup d'état" against Chavez that went sour... so why do you hide those facts of the present and try to sell us a Spanish colonial picture that belongs to the 19th century instead?
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [11:56 ]
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profile thinks Latin America is a colony of Europe, not of the United Sodomites of AmeriKKKa. He believes the CIA is run from Paris, and the Death Squads in Guatemala run from Madrid. Profile also thinks Spain bombed Chile's presidential palace killing elected President Allende to make room for Pinochet. Europe must be destroyed, preferably by China's warehouse nukes. What do you people think?
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by profile on 16.09.2005 [11:58 ]
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So Xuma:Why has Chavez Booted out European companies ? Why ?
Why has Chavez Re-patriated Venezuelan land that are owned by Europeans ? Why ?
The U.S is most certainly part of the problem in L.A but obviously not the whole problem in Chavezs mind.
Because Chavez would NEVER have booted out European companies and repatriated Venezuelan land owned by Europe,would he.?
NO Xuma,Chavez would not have done that,if Chavez thought Europe was NO problem for Venezueal and L.A.But Chavez like many L.A Leaders Understand their own countries History.Europe Historically abused L.A,which No doubt is why Chavez is acting the way he is.
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [12:07 ]
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...The U.S is most certainly part of the problem in L.A but obviously not the whole problem in Chavezs mind. ...
Wrong, the United Sodomites of AmeriKKKa are MOST of the problem, that's why Chavez is LASHING AT THE USA (read the title and the article) and not at Europe as you pretend to make us believe.
Certainly there are European multinationals exploiting Latin America, but they are not backed up by MILTARY THREATS AND MILITARY PRESENCE as the US multinationals are. The US threat is real, the European threat exists only in your hateful mind.
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [12:20 ]
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profile''s moves on this board always lead to the same result: shift the blame from the US/UK/Israel to EU-RUssia-China, in the face of obvious accusations like the ones voiced by Chavez.
Profile pretends he admires Hugo Chavez, but then he shows up here and presents him (like he does with China) as an enemy of Europe with a "secret" love for the US people.
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [12:27 ]
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...Because Chavez would NEVER have booted out European companies and repatriated Venezuelan land owned by Europe,would he.? ...
this is more of your BullShit, Chavez issued a law that gave land owners a period of time to pput unproductive land back into production, and confiscate the lnd if they didn't. Most of those who didn't and lost their land were VENZUELANS themselves, not Europeans as you want us to believe. Why do you constantly lie, profile, and why does the US image always benefit from your lying?
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by profile on 16.09.2005 [12:35 ]
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Xuma:EXPLAIN WHY Chavez of Venezuela has Booted out of Venezuela certain European Companies and repatriated all Venezuela fallow land owned by Europe.? Explain it ?
EXPLAIN THIS TO ME ? (YOU CANT).Because you fail too open your eyes and see what is really going on.The facts/events speak for themselves.Chavez tars Europe the same as it does the U.S.The Facts/Events and Outcome of Chavezs Policies SHOW this.and it is OBVIOUS.
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [12:42 ]
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...EXPLAIN WHY ...
Chavez issued laws that EVERYONE had to follow. The interesting thing is that even if the interests of US owners, European owners, Asian owners, African owners or OCeania owners were hurt in the process... all of them respected Venezuela's policies EXCEPT THE GODDAM USA... even though ever continent got hurt, it is ONLY THE UNITED SODOMITES OF AMERIKKKA who are issuing the THREATS.. explain that, mothr.fkr!
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 16.09.2005 [13:57 ]
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Europe was practicing imperialism up until the time that France was booted out of Algeria and Indonesia.
Since then, most of the international imperialism is coming from the U.S. with England riding on its tail.
However, I do think that Washington often takes its orders from Tel-Aviv.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 16.09.2005 [14:02 ]
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Well, I also admire the U.S. consitution and the Bill of Rights. That doesn't mean that I'm pro-USA. The problem is that those excellent documents are applied prejudicially and selectively.
The same holds for the Bible and the Quran. They are excellent documents (authored by God) but some of the people who apply them do so incorrectly and narrow-mindedly.
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by verve on 16.09.2005 [14:05 ]
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but the USA is a colony of Britian, so by extention, a colony of Europe. Treaties signed in the 1600s, the 1700s the 1800s the 1900s between the USA Britian and various European states still are in effect today. Only BRAINDEAD yanks believe they live in a 'free' country, the dumb fucks haven't a clue how much of their money (their begging hat in hand right now) goes to the Rothchild coffers of Europe. Once a colony, always a colony. See: Argentina, re. the Faulklands. They may publicly remove her from figurehead status, as a publicity move to calm the freed massesd, but her fucking head is on every goddamn coin in the realm. Go figure, eh. And though her head ain't on any US coins, she still gets her share of every penny spent there. See; Wall Street. Who bought Enron"s US assets? BP. Who owns BP?. You need to do more research on WHO controls the US's purse strings, and it ain't Yanks.
@profile. The land Chavez gave to the poor was state land, he did not expropriate any land form private owners, European or otherwise. And he isn't booting oil companies, he raised the net exporting tax from something like 4% to 16%.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 16.09.2005 [14:09 ]
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The U.S. Capitalist Fascists were finally able to break the backs of the labor unions in the U.S. when they outsourced U.S. jobs to poorer countries. The syndicates had nothing left to bargain with after that. If they made a general strike, the big bosses could just close the factory in Michigan and re-open it in Mexico. The U.S. workers then had to beg the big bosses to oppress them so that they wouldn't starve.
The media talking heads then told the workers that the workers' poverty was because of the workers' laziness and that workers should just lift themselves up by their own bootstraps and stop blaming others for their problems ( a favorite guilt tactic of Capitalists).
The workers were alienated from their labor, and then made to feel proud of the nation that alienated them, and then made to feel guilt for their own poverty.
That is the power of the media in modern Capitalist fascist societies.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 16.09.2005 [14:17 ]
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Good point about Chavez giving away stateland.
But just because BP bought Enron's assets doesn't seem to say much considering that China bought IBM's PC capability. That doens't evince that China controls the USA.
And treaties signed over the centuries go both ways. Remember, it was the U.S. military in Western European bases; and it was Western Europeans who were begging Kennedy to protect them from Kruschev during the Cuban missile crisis.
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [14:30 ]
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...the USA is a colony of Britian, so by extention, a colony of Europe...
The extension you propose of Britain = Europe is unacceptable, since the UK is the main force opposing European integration and the UK is in no way representative of the rest of Europe.
USA is a colony of Britain, full stop, USA/UK/Israel is one entity, the Zionist entity.
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [14:33 ]
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...The same holds for the Bible and the Quran. They are excellent documents (authored by God)...
I don't know about the Quran, but the Bible is a selective collection of books written by men, and the selection was done by a Roman emperor and its final composition voted in the council of Trento. I can't see divine intervention in there, but rather a sectarian struggle between catholics and other contemporary competing religions like Mitraism.
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by kamau on 16.09.2005 [14:41 ]
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...U.S. fascist
by Iranian-Shi'ite on 16.09.2005 00:00.
You hit the nail onthe head, brother!!! Keep it up!
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by kamau on 16.09.2005 [14:41 ]
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...U.S. fascist
by Iranian-Shi'ite on 16.09.2005 00:00.
You hit the nail on the head, brother!!! Keep it up!
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by kamau on 16.09.2005 [14:42 ]
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...sorry for the double posting.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 16.09.2005 [14:45 ]
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One would have never guessed that from Thomas Jefferson's purchase of the Louisiana territory from Napolean Bonoparte; or from Mckinley's invasions of Spainish territory in Cuba, the Philipines, and Guam; or from the huge debts that England owed to the U.S. from the two world wars.
Also, oppression of Latin America has in recent decades been more of a U.S. act.
Support of the Nicaraguan Contras and the mining of Nicaraguan harbors was under the Reagan oppression era.
Invasion of Noriega's Panama was under Bush the Senior. Noriega was installed into power by the U.S. to begin with. The Panama story seemed like a miniture Iraq.
The Bay of Pigs invasion was done under the Kennedy administration. Support of the Batista bastard came from the USA.
While Europe may have traditionally oppressed Latin America, it appears to me that most of the modern oppression of Latin America has come from the USA.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 16.09.2005 [14:51 ]
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Yes, the Rabbis did decide which books would be cannonical for the Torah; and Constantines pro-Athunasias Bishops did decide which books would be cannonical and which books would be apocryphal in the council of Nicea in 325 A.D.. They chose books that opposed the Arian heresy.
And yes, the Gnositics, the Trinitarians, and other Christian sects in the first century did alter the writings to suit their own theology.
So, there was much orthodox corruption of scripture in the Torah and the New-Testament.
But I say that they were authored by God because despite the centuries corruption, much of the original message still remains in my opinion.
Of course these stories can also be found in pre-Biblical epics such as Gilgamesh; but I think that is only because God needed to communicate to people based on stories that they were already familiar with.
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [14:57 ]
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...I think that is only because God needed to communicate to people based on stories that they were already familiar with...
funny explanation, as if deus-ex-machina could explain anything. The weak point in your theories that imaginary entity where people dump anything they can't explain or feel too lazy to investigate. Those stories are similar because of the simple fact that sects that share the same geographical location copy one another. The same phenomenon happenes in America, where all indian nations share similar stories. This does not prove the existance of gods or tooth fairies.
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [15:02 ]
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The books the Council of Trento voted out of the Bible were gospells depicting the human side of Jesus, like he having kids with Mary Magdalene and such. The Catholics wanted him to be divine, therefore labelled Magdalene a prostitute and banned those gospells out of the Biblical mess. Hardly a work of any god.
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by profile on 16.09.2005 [15:03 ]
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [15:09 ]
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... Here is a link of Land Seizures by Venezuela of European land holdings...
LOL ... it was a BRITISH farm!
Mr. Roja is one of the hundreds of rural poor who have been awarded 15-hectare (37-acre) lots from the El Charcote cattle ranch — a British-owned, 32,000-acre tract that was recently expropriated by the government.
how cool of profile to use Britain to smear the Europeans... everybody except profile is aware that Britain is the main obstacle to the European Union, so much that there's talk in the EU about kicking the British out...
Britain is also a member of the inseparable Zionist Entity USA/UK/Israel.
Lie and spin profile mothr.fkr!
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by profile on 16.09.2005 [15:14 ]
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BRITAIN CREATED THE European Union along with France+Germany.Those 3 Countries RUN Europe.Britain+France were the Founding members of the U.N.
Britain is a European Country NOT an African or Asian one.
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [15:16 ]
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...Britain is a European Country NOT an African or Asian one...
Russia is both Eurpean and Asian, and you seem to come from Outer Mongolia
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by Xuma100 on 16.09.2005 [15:20 ]
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...Britain is a Trojan Horse too the EU,the moment the EU has an issue With the USA Britain stabs the EU In The Back,there is no way for France and Germany not too Know who Their enemy Is... ... LOL
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by profile on 16.09.2005 [15:32 ]
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Russia is a Colonial Country.Russia is NOT Asian,that land that holds Asians init was Stolen by Russia by Colonial Conquest.
That area around Siberia is Hu,Manchu and Mongol which are Sino Races Not Caucasian.around 1840 Colonial Russia took by force those lands From CHINA.And CHina will want that back in the future.Russia may look at that land as Russian,the Chinese will see that land Stolen from them by Russia.
In the same way Russia joined the war against Japan 4 days before the End of WW2 and then Stole 4 Islands off Japan,The Japanese will want those Islands back at some stage.
Russia is a Colonial Country,the land it has stolen in the past was from Colonial Conquest.
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