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The least you morons could do is by cleopatra on 04.02.2005 [20:31 ]

is learn how to spell Cherokee correctly. Also, these "evil" corporations do something that is helpful to society: They create jobs. You support murder, terrorism, genocide, war, and tyranny. Therefore for the good of the world, we must destroy you. We destroyed Nazism and Fascism in WWII and we will do it again.

Beslan monster: "We're planning more" by cleopatra on 04.02.2005 [20:44 ]

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persent day USA is by verve on 04.02.2005 [23:32 ]

Nazism and Fascism you dumb twat. And only an anal retentive girly man wanker like you would get his panties in a twist over spelling. And I see your still fixated on your blow up GI dolly boyfriend. Face it, he dumped you.

to cleopatra by Chicano on 05.02.2005 [00:09 ]

Since you are calling Basayev a Chechen Islamofascist, I am just curious what you think of the British government granting asylum to another Chechen field commander - Ahmed Zakayev and the US government granting asylum to Ilias Akhmadov - the spokesman for Chechen separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov whom both Zakayev and Basayev serve. Some say granting asylum to these two dudes is tantamount to support for their cause, thus making the US and British governments stance in the war on terrorism inconsistent.

Great Article by Tet on 05.02.2005 [02:10 ]

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And here by Tet on 05.02.2005 [02:24 ]

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The sad part is by Tet on 05.02.2005 [02:48 ]

The sad part is the US isn't the real root of the problem. A VERY large part of the problem but unfortunately more work will need to be done when the US becomes a distant memory. Peace.

to the authors by Power2Ppl on 05.02.2005 [08:47 ]

Well done, it is a good article , describing the evil and hypocracy of USA. A nice example of usan hypocracy is Cleo and other usan trolls on this board. The authors of the article showed many examples of usan evil, yet Cleo chose to ignore these atrocities instead she focused on a spelling mistake. It just shows how zombie like these trolls truly are.

Heaven... by Blitzkrieg- on 05.02.2005 [17:36 ]

"Finally, heaven is not the point" This is a debatable question, maybe I'm inherrently a bad person, what would motivate me to do good? Similarly, the religiously motivated guys in Iraq are willing to die, or the Palestinians too. But look what they've been through. Who would be willing to bother with the effort, even if your death and struggle doesn't get you anywhere and you never see the results of your struggle? The higher reward is the ultimate reward.

A workd on the kike called Cleopatra by Blitzkrieg- on 05.02.2005 [17:40 ]

I find that no matter how much I insult this kike that it is not satisfying, and just a waste of time, plus it is what she's trying to do - i.e. irritate us with garbage. Realistically, the only satisfactory interaction I could have with her is to strangle her kike ass to death and send her to hell. However, since I can't do that I think it would be wise to ignore her, and Emperor Darth Misha and whatever other names this kike posts with. It would save the agitation.

More examples by Iranian-Shi'ite on 06.02.2005 [06:40 ]

Remember the USA's use of Agent Orange in Vietnam? How many Vietnamese people were sickened by it? How much of the agent orange blew unto their rice fields, their fruit trees, their vegatable gardens - defoliating their food. Agent Orange was blown about by the wind, aborbed by the water and carried into many parts of the land. How much of it was breathed in by infants? How many of their livestock cattle died because of it? If agent orange was making the farmers too sick to work, the agrigulture defoliated, the cattle sick, then many would have died from starvation. Agent orange was not just harmful because of direct exposure, but also because of residual effects such as destroying food supply.

They gassed their own soldiers by Iranian-Shi'ite on 06.02.2005 [06:43 ]

When their Vietnam veterans complained of agent orange sickness and when their Gulf War veterans complained of depleted Uranium sickness, the USA government ignored them on the one hand but then celebrated their "heroism" on the other hand. What hypocricy! Look O' you people of the world - the USA is ready to trash its own soldiers that it pretends to honour. What do you think they will do to you if they are able to rpeeatedly betray their own soldiers?

my theological opinion by Iranian-Shi'ite on 06.02.2005 [06:58 ]

This is just my subjective conjecture - I'm not trying to pass it off as truth: I do not know if I am going to be accepted into Heaven or not. I do not know this because I do not have the knowledge of the unseen that God possesses. Also, I do not pass judgement on myself - rather God passes judgement on me. So, I do not know with certainty what my fate will be - and it would be self-worship if I claimed that I did know with certainty. Judgement is God's job, not mine. I also think it a bit arrogant to claim to know one's fate. However, if ( IF ) I am accepted into heaven, I expect to see Karl Marx there. Yes, that is funny - but he was a very compassionate person. He was an athiest, but I would not be surprised to see him permitted through the gates. On the other hand, there are a few of my own Shi'ite Muslim brethern that I do not expect to see there. There were Shi'ite like the xShah of Iran and the current Allawi. I do not think that I would like to take their place in the hereafter.

spelling error: repeatedly, not rpeeatedly by Iranian-Shi'ite on 06.02.2005 [06:58 ]

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a bit of levity and mirth by Iranian-Shi'ite on 06.02.2005 [07:15 ]

So that we are not always speaking of depressingly serious things, I want to say with lightness of heart that if I could meet the ghosts of any two historical figures, I would like to meet the spirits of Gogol and Dostoyevsky. I recently finished reading Gogol's "Diary of a Madman" and "The Nose." I could clearly see old Nikolai's influence on our friend Fyodor ( Nikolai Gogol and Fyodor Dostoeyevsky ). I enjoyed Gogol's two stories immensely. I had read three novels by the young Fyodor before I read his older brother Gogol ( not blood brother ) and I had greatly appreciated young Fyodor's works. I must say, that my soul is greatly indebted to the genius of these two heroes. Thank you Russia for these two artists. They have made my life much better.

Excellent Manifesto! by USAn on 06.02.2005 [17:58 ]

This is an excellent manifesto. As a member of the small, marginalized US dissident community, please,please believe me when I say that we can do little to halt the US monster from inside. We are doing all we can, short of violence, which barring enormous increased of popular support, would be utterly counterporductive. The US population is hopelessly brainwashed by the incredibly compliant, elite-run, propaganda machine called the "Media". I repeat, do not hang ANY hopes on any kind of internal US revolt or significant reform. There must be a concerted effort to contain, then completely isolate the US from the nations of the planet. Eject their military and bases from your lands, by violence if necessary - This MUST include all nations - the UK, Germany, Japan and Serbia-Kosovo as well as Iraq. Your struggles could be what saves Humanity, indeed even life on earth itself, from annihilation.

USAn by Iranian-Shi'ite on 06.02.2005 [18:20 ]

Yes, I know that there are a small group of people in the USA who are struggling to make things better. Yes, I agree that violence would be counterproductive. Unfortunately, you are disorganized. I hope you come together as a community and start making more newspapers, pamphlets, internet radio stations, anti-War telivision advertisements, etc. In the meantime, I thank you USA liberals for your decency and your sensitivity. Believe me when I tell you that people like you are what gives the USA any light and goodness for the world to see.

Another example of USA evil by Iranian-Shi'ite on 06.02.2005 [18:26 ]

In 1953, Iran overthrew its dictator ( the xShah ) and established a liberal democracy under Mossadegh. When Mossadegh nationalized Iranian oil, the USA CIA engineered a coup de'tat that overthrew Mossadegh and reinstalled the xShah dictator. This was called operation Ajax. It involved the CIA bombing famous Iranians and blaming the communists for those bombings. Then, Iranian journalists were bribed or threatened to report that communists were behind the bombings and that if the xShah did not return to power that the communists would take over the country. The USA has admitted to this. It is no conspiracy theory. The New York Times published the declassified CIA documents in an article: "How a Plot Convulsed Iran in '53" New York Times, 04/16/2000 vol 149 issue 51360 page 1

The USA evil by Iranian-Shi'ite on 06.02.2005 [18:28 ]

Not only was the CIA evil for bombing innocent Iranian civillians - it was the more evil for blaming someone else. Not only was the CIA evil for bombing innocent civillians and blaming someone else, it was the more evil for using that evil to overthrow the Iranian democracy and reinstall the former dictator.

Not only was the CIA evil for what it did, but also by Iranian-Shi'ite on 06.02.2005 [18:30 ]

it lends further weight to our argument that many of the terrorist actions in the world today are likely originated in CIA or Mossad plottings since this seems to be their modus operadi by their own admission. The Mossad's explicit logo is "by way of deception thou shallt wage war."

more USA evil by Iranian-Shi'ite on 06.02.2005 [18:32 ]

Overthrowing the Iranian democracy was not an isolated incidence. The USA overthrew the Allende democracy in Chile and replaced it with the Pinochet dictatorship who killed and tortured thousands of innocent Chilean people. The USA overthrew the Sukarno democracy in Indonesia and replaced it with the Suharto dictatorship, and then helped Suharto massacre people in East Timor. The USA has overthrown democracies and supported dictators all over the world and then helped those dictators in using death squads to massacre people.

A large segment of the starvation in the world is because of the USA's IMF the world bank and other by Iranian-Shi'ite on 06.02.2005 [18:37 ]

The USA puts countries into huge debt and then takes over their economies and plunders their natural resources. The USA gives back a small portion of what it steals and then boasts and brags of its charity - as if the plundered victims should be grateful for getting back a tiny bit of what they received. A massive amount of the starvation and sickness in the world today is based in the USA's greedy and selfish policies. Meanwhile the USA struts about as a major donor of charity.

Alvaro Frota by Iranian-Shi'ite on 06.02.2005 [18:39 ]

Please adapt the posts above to the main article. If you have time, please integrate the posts on this thread with the article at the top - thanks in advance.

Iranian Shi'ite... by USAn on 07.02.2005 [04:02 ]

Please don't call us "liberals". Call us leftists or anti-imperialists. The "liberals" are the ones who insisted we support the vile spineless rich-man Kerry. They also talk a lot, but refuse to take any action which may jeopardise their jobs or positions of white elite privelege. The dissident people of, central America, Colombia, or Chile, faced death squads because of their resistance activities, while these liberal USAns face, at very worst, loss of a job. Nonetheless, a number of organizers I know are leaving for Canada. Traitors! Remove these "liberals" and we are indeed tiny in number. Anti-war TV commercials are not a viable option. The TV network owners do not allow paid anti-war advertisements even if we could afford them. In it's own way, there is probably less press freedom in the US than, say, Iran. Even if we could collect the resources for a leftist daily newspaper in a major city, there are few venues to sell or distribute it. The US is a culture dominated by big corporate chains, interconnected by freeways with it's citizens sealed in their cars when they are not working or shopping in these "big box" corporate stores. Outside of Manhattan and a few other downtown areas of the biggest cities, there are none of the news stands or news stalls which are common in, say Tehran. A majority of USAns live in suburban areas, these areas contain no public space - the old "Main Street" has been replaced with shopping malls which because they are private property, do not have to observe constitutional free-speech or free-press rights. You may have heard of the USAn who was arrested at a shopping mall for wearing a T-shirt with "peace now" printed on it (charged with "trespassing"). Shopping malls or big corporate chain stores are not going to sell or allow the distribution of leftist or anti-imperialist (i.e. "Un-American") newspapers. The suburban culture which dominates the US is diabolical in it's effectiveness at stultifying enforcement of cultural and ideological uniformity. You would have to come over here to completely understand what I am talking about. The nations of Europe did not expect dissident German people to remove Hitler. I suggest they treat the US the same way.

Then "leftist" it is. Terminology and semantics are important. by Iranian-Shi'ite on 07.02.2005 [05:32 ]

Again, I iterate that it is the leftists in the USA that show the people of the world that there are indeed real human beings in the USA. I want to be well understood that when I refer to the "evil" of the USA, I am definitely not referring to the leftists who are doing their best to make the USA a better place. Yes, the nations of the world do need to treat the USA as a rogue state. I would not frown upon targeted assasinations of those who support globalization and the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund since these things lead to the starvation of millions of children. I would be delighted to see sabatoge of international USA economic assets. I would encourage a boycott and embargo of USA products. Most of all, I urge a concentrated and concerted information counter-attack to the USA media propoganda juggernaut. One of the best things I've seen in recent years is Germany's actions against Rumsfeld. I hope to see the Belgians follow Germany's example here.

... by enrom05 on 07.02.2005 [19:38 ]

“The Japanese had been trying to surrender for over a month when the nuclear bombs were dropped on them” That is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I’ve ever read, and credible sources to back that up? I’m quite certain any historian or even Japanese citizens of that time would tell you that’s total bullshit. The most shameless thing a person could do in the eyes of WW2 Japan was surrender. There was no honor in surrender, and infinite honor in fighting to the death. This is why in most land battles fought against the Japanese during World War 2, the Americans (and others) had to kill every last soldier. They didn’t do this because they got a kick out of it, they did it because the Japanese would not stop fighting until every last one had been killed. For you to insinuate that Japan had been trying to surrender shows how ignorant you are of history. The atomic bombs were dropped because the U.S. government realized that the overall casualties on both sides would be less then if an invasion of Japan had been attempted. If the U.S. and it’s allies had invaded Japan, they would have had to go city to city, town to town, and kill every Japanese soldier (and many citizens in the process) before victory could be achieved. The atomic bombings saved lives in the long run. Lives of Japanese citizens, and soldiers, and American soldiers. Even with the first bomb on August 6th, the Japanese refused to surrender. They were given three days before the second was dropped. Only after the second bomb, and the threat of more to follow, would Japan’s emperor consider surrender. Even AFTER Japan’s official surrender, some Japanese soldiers attempted a coup, as they would rather fight to the death then surrender. If the author cares to write about the evils of America, at least try to stick to the facts. There are many instances then can cite (and many they did.) I see no reason why they would resort to making things up.

Reply to enrom05 by USAn on 07.02.2005 [21:56 ]

I know this article has been pulled off the front page so you may never read my reply, but, dear enrom05, the Japanese had, in fact, agreed to complete surrender with one small condition; that they be allowed to continue to keep Emperor Hirohito as a powerless figurehead during the US occupation and formation of a new government. The US rejected this small condition, dropped the bombs, then accepted the same surrender terms the Japanese had offered. The idea that the bombs were needed to avoid enormous casualties from an invasion is discredited bullshit, as is clearly shown from the above facts as well as others. In fact the likely "audience" of the bombs horrific power weren't the Japanese at all, they were the Russians - a reminder that the US would be imperial boss in the postwar world order. Truman has the murder hundreds of thousands on his soul. He is difinitely NOT someone I would expect to meet in Heaven, where Karl Marx, Joe Hill, Sacco, Vanzetti, Fanny Sellins, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, or Dorothy Day likely reside.

USAn by Iranian-Shi'ite on 08.02.2005 [23:13 ]

My understanding of the events in question regarding Japan are as follows: The Emporer Hirohito sent his son, the prince to ask Stalin to act as an arbitrator between Hirohito and Truman. Stalin said to Truman that Japan was considering surrenduring. Secretary of State James Byrnes, however, told Truman not to allow the war to end until the USA had the chance to use the atomic bomb because it would frighten Stalin and make Stalin, "more manageable." Those were Byrnes exact words: "more manageable."

A quote from the Air Force commander under President Truman by Iranian-Shi'ite on 08.02.2005 [23:15 ]

"It always appeared to us that, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse." -General Henry H. "Hap" Arnold Commanding General of the U.S. Army Air Forces Under President Truman Let me repeat the words of the Air Force commander under President Truman: " . . . the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse," with our without the atomic bomb.

quote from Eisenhower: by Iranian-Shi'ite on 08.02.2005 [23:16 ]

"Japan was at the moment seeking some way to surrender with minimum loss of face. It wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing." -General Dwight D. Eisenhower

quote from the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Truman by Iranian-Shi'ite on 08.02.2005 [23:17 ]

"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender… My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was taught not to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying woman and children." -Admiral William D. Leahy Former Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Quote from Truman by Iranian-Shi'ite on 08.02.2005 [23:20 ]

"P.M. Churchill & I ate alone. Discussed Manhattan It is a success. Decided to tell Stalin about it. Stalin had told P.M. of telegram from Jap Emperor asking for peace." -President Harry S. Truman Diary Entry, July 18, 1945 Let me paraphrase what Truman wrote in his diary: Churchill and I discussed the Manhattan and decided to tell Stalin about it. Stalin had told Churchil of a telegram from the Japanese Emperor asking for peace.

Roosevelt provoked Japan into attacking the USA by Iranian-Shi'ite on 08.02.2005 [23:23 ]

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Adding Iranian Shiite points by Q' on 09.02.2005 [00:01 ]

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True nature of U.N. by Q' on 09.02.2005 [00:15 ]

It someone of you remember this quote: The United Nation is a place of prostitution at the feet of United States of America, you have yet to see the veritable role of UN according to this book PROPAGANDA IN THE NEXT WAR, Originally published in 1938, FOREWORD TO THE SECOND EDITION 2001 ''If the United Nations continues to fail to exercise its mandate in the interests of the whole of humanity, then its supporters and critics would appear to be correct in their assessments of its aims and objectives. Furthermore, as the Rockefellers and Standard Oil provided the land for the United Nations and much of its initial funding it seems unlikely that their intentions for the organisation were - at any stage – honourable or humanitarian; and explain why Israel and the United States are never brought to task for their continuous rejection of any U.N. resolution deemed “hostile to their interests” – For which read Rockefeller, Standard Oil, et al. Ø David Ben Gurion, Time Magazine, August 16th 1948: “The United Nations is a Jewish Ideal”. Ø Harry Klein, New York Jewish Lawyer: “The United Nations is Zionism”. In ‘Zionism Rules The World’. Ø United States Congressman James B. Utt: “The United Nations has strict double standards which guide it through its devious treacherous path to world domination.” Ø James Paul Warburg, to the United States Senate on February 17th, 1950: “We will have world government, whether or not we like it. The only question is, whether world government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” Ø Ramsey Clark the Former U.S. Attorney General under President Lyndon Johnson made absolutely clear: "The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy." Ø General David Sharp a former United States Marine Commandant 1966: "I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar soaked fingers out of the business of these Third World nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own. And if unfortunately their revolution must be of the violent type because the "haves" refuse to share with the "have-nots" by any peaceful method, at least what they get will be their own, and not the American style, which they don't want and above all don't want crammed down their throats by Americans."''

About Japan... by Crack_Smoke_Republican on 09.02.2005 [03:55 ]

The Atomic bombs were incredibly horrific but they did likely save the nation from committing suicide en masse to some degree. Japan was ready to kill itself than face defeat. Good stuff here otherwise.

All one has to do, together with... by Draco_Annie on 09.02.2005 [05:34 ]

the rest of the US population is go on a 24 hour strike. Nobody shows up for work, for a whole day. But the american people will never do it. They put up with anything, as long as they can eat their pizza every hour and drink their lousy beer all night long. They've reelected Bush for a second term. The first one was a mistake, the second one is their shame. And look at the atrocities they are committing around the world, as simple soldiers: raping children and everything else that moves, then killing them. This is the true nature of the american people. They have no respect for themselves nor for anyone else. Let's get rid of them in every sense before it's too late.

Our word is becoming important! by AlvaroFrota on 09.02.2005 [06:27 ]

Here we are, trying to collectively writing some kind of Manifesto. Ransis went to disrupts our work! Something important is happens here! Lets keep working. I could updating the manifesto, as all we would writing comments. And remember 19-20 March against occupation and supporting Iraq Resistance.

@Crack Smoke Republic by Q' on 09.02.2005 [07:39 ]

The Atomic bombs were incredibly horrific but they did likely save the nation from committing suicide en masse to some degree. Japan was ready to kill itself than face defeat. You should read what Iranian Shiiite posted : '' "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender… My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was taught not to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying woman and children." -Admiral William D. Leahy Former Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff ''

What Cubans Know and Americans Can`t Explain by predax on 09.02.2005 [08:38 ]

By Cord MacGuire Dear friends! I`m sorry to disappoint you, but this field is only for your comments, not for starting one more newswire. If you think some news interesting enough for everyone to read, please submit them after getting registered (no information is required of you in order to get registered, apart from an e-mail address, so those paranoidally inclined can just open an account in Yahoo or Hotmail for that purpose). Otherwise, just post the link. Thank you. NiX

Read this and weep by predax on 09.02.2005 [08:54 ]

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Great stuff here, keep it coming!Make it a permanent document by Deathtodubya on 09.02.2005 [10:47 ]

that we can add to!

COUNT ME IN... by kamau on 09.02.2005 [11:30 ]

...I will contribute my part and add something for you as well. Peace!

Clit the twit by verve on 09.02.2005 [13:57 ]

45 million Yanks with no, absolutly no health coverage, with over 500,000 joining them last month. Trapped in their shit hole, need government permission to travel. Asses to fat for planes must buy two seats, ouch! Need to wear foregin flags on clothing and pretend to be someone else when they leave their shithole. Food stamp use increase in Taxas, out of toast? And after forty years they still quake in their panties at the sound of mighty Fidel's name.

Cuba by Iranian-Shi'ite on 09.02.2005 [14:05 ]

Cubans may in some places have to road for medical services, but at least they can still get medical services - which is more than I can say for many US people who can't afford insurance even though they work two or three jobs in minimum wage slave labor. Furthermore, the failure of the US educational system is quite apparent with the hysterical postings of the pro-USA trolls on this site. An "unqualified" Cuban teacher is probably better than the average USA teacher. And yes, Truman and Byrnes were fully aware that Japan was trying to surrender when they dropped the a-bombs. No nation in history has inflicted as much pain and suffering on the human races as the USA has inflicted.

about cleopatra aka Emperor Darth Misha I by eurohippie on 09.02.2005 [15:56 ]

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Hey cleopatty by dude on 09.02.2005 [16:07 ]

Whats your fucking story behatch. Uneducated dumb phuck. Your gripe is about spelling!! Fuck off. You'll never get to have your own thoughts..your a phucking clone!! Americunt clone bred and raised by the genitically modified food you've been eating your whole life. Poisoned by the TV and most likely FAT like the way you speak. Lazy and unintelligent!! Go eat a burger and phuck off!! Rascist Imperial animals like you don't even deserve a response from this forum!

I've only just come across this... by stopwar on 09.02.2005 [16:33 ]

Alvaro Frota. Please note that I although I hate this occupation with all of my heart, I am a still a Buddhist, and can't abide the overt use of the word "fight". Would prefer the word "resist" - or take me off the list. Resistance doesn't have to be violent, but it has to include non-cooperation (unlike the Iraqi Communist Party). Hope you understand.

dont forget Mexico by kintanar on 09.02.2005 [16:47 ]

Mexico lost the mayor part of his territory by a US unjustified invasion and an ocupation by 18 months. And a second intent of invasion in 1914.

USA by Ana on 09.02.2005 [17:33 ]

I agree with the statement above, that the USA corporations are the most dangerous tool of USA. I live in South Europe and I know that lots of people - although they like Coca-Cola - refuse to buy it, because it is American. We all know about the existence of other brands, like Mecca Cola in France (give 10 % of earnings to Palestine). In my country only the American brands exist. How can we stimulate the alternative brands, like Mecca Cola, to invest in other countries? Are there any funds, that stimulate these courageous companies to invest abroad, maybe by giving loans? The problem is that the public would like to buy non-American products, but often they are not available.

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